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  • J
    JJ Fullmer Testers
    last edited by Jun 20, 2016, 6:17 PM

    So from time to time I run into a program that either doesn’t have a native silent installation or it just plain won’t work.
    I recently discovered a opensource scripting language called autoIT (https://www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/) which allows you to script mouse clicks and keyboard sends and such, meaning I can script all the options and next clicks of an installation wizard.
    I got this to work, along with a few other things I still do in a batch script. It lets you turn the script into a exe, so it’s easy to compile it and deploy it within another script.
    Running the batch script works great, but then I tried to make it a snapin and it didn’t work. I’m pretty sure because it requires opening a program in the foreground and snapins and the fog service are all in the background. So I’m wondering if it’s possible to allow the fog service to open a program in the foreground for scripting something like this?

    Thanks,
    -JJ

    Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
    https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
    https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
    https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
    https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

    J 1 Reply Last reply Jun 20, 2016, 6:18 PM Reply Quote 0
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      JJ Fullmer Testers @JJ Fullmer
      last edited by Jun 20, 2016, 6:18 PM

      And I am testing it on the newest version of the client 0.11

      Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
      https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
      https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
      https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
      https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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        Joe Schmitt Senior Developer
        last edited by Jun 20, 2016, 6:38 PM

        This is not possible. The SYSTEM account is prohibited from interacting with desktop environments. This is why we have FOGUserService for showing GUIs.

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        J 1 Reply Last reply Jun 20, 2016, 7:25 PM Reply Quote 0
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          JJ Fullmer Testers @Joe Schmitt
          last edited by Jun 20, 2016, 7:25 PM

          @Joe-Schmitt So there’s a way to do it with the FOG user service? Or it’s just not possible?

          Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
          https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
          https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
          https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
          https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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            Joe Schmitt Senior Developer
            last edited by Jun 20, 2016, 7:26 PM

            Anything spawned by FOGUserService runs as that user. There is no safe way of doing what you want.

            Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

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              JJ Fullmer Testers
              last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 1:48 PM

              So then I need a different new solution for scripting program installations that don’t like being scripted. Anybody know of any good ones? Like maybe a newer version of RIP (Rapid install packages)?

              Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
              https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
              https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
              https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
              https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                Tom Elliott @JJ Fullmer
                last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 2:02 PM

                @JJ-Fullmer What if you made your autoIT script, then wrapped the autoIT script with an msi wrapper? That way the system user “clicks and what not” would still operate and all the wrapper would do is make it a potential possibility to make it a silent install.

                Of course I’m not even sure this is possible, but i think it’s a better shot than the track you’re on currently.

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                J 1 Reply Last reply Jun 21, 2016, 3:40 PM Reply Quote 1
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                  JJ Fullmer Testers @Tom Elliott
                  last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 3:40 PM

                  @Tom-Elliott Do you have any guidance off hand on how to make an msi wrapper. Or know of any good guides on msi wrappers?
                  Thanks for the idea, I am looking into it now.

                  Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                  https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                  https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                  https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                  https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

                  J 1 Reply Last reply Jun 21, 2016, 3:42 PM Reply Quote 0
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                    JJ Fullmer Testers @JJ Fullmer
                    last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 3:42 PM

                    @Tom-Elliott
                    Oh it seems you mean the program called MSI wrapper… http://exemsi.com/getting-started

                    Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                    https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                    https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                    https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                    https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                      Joe Schmitt Senior Developer
                      last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 3:42 PM

                      @JJ-Fullmer it wouldn’t solve your issue. SYSTEM can’t interact with desktop sessions on newer windows versions. Its a security concern and is strictly prohibited. No amount of wrappers will circumvent that.

                      Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

                      J 1 Reply Last reply Jun 21, 2016, 3:43 PM Reply Quote 1
                      • J
                        JJ Fullmer Testers @Joe Schmitt
                        last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 3:43 PM

                        @Joe-Schmitt Then I must hack the system! Mwahahahahaha!

                        Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                        https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                        https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                        https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                        https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                          ITSolutions Testers @JJ Fullmer
                          last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 4:35 PM

                          @JJ-Fullmer Not the best solution, but one work around I had done for a program that I had the same issues with is to schedule a task to install the software. I created a snapin that setup a scheduled task (using SCHTASKS) on the client and then kicked off the task before finishing. This allowed the program to come up in the user session and either be interacted with or in your case run the autoit script. I tried to find that script but I must have deleted it because I can not find it anywhere. But that may give you a starting point to try.

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                            JJ Fullmer Testers @ITSolutions
                            last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 6:48 PM

                            @ITSolutions @Tom-Elliott
                            The msi-wrapper didn’t work in the snapin as @Joe-Scmitt predicted. Because even in the msi wrapper it still just opens up the gui installer and clicks through it. Still a really cool tool though, I’m sure I’ll find a use for it in the future.
                            I’m going to give the Scheduled tasks idea a go.

                            Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                            https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                            https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                            https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                            https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                              JJ Fullmer Testers @ITSolutions
                              last edited by Jun 21, 2016, 9:33 PM

                              @ITSolutions I don’t suppose you can find the script that you had? I can’t seem to get this to work.
                              I have tried a variety of things in the snapin for creating and running the scheduled task.
                              Such as

                              schtasks /Create /TN fas /TR "\\arrowfs3\scripts\Silent-Installers\Accounting\FAS.exe" /SC ONCE /ST 00:00 
                              schtasks /RUN /TN fas
                              
                              schtasks /Create /TN fas /TR "%~dp0\FAS.exe" /SC ONCE /ST 00:00 /RL HIGHEST /RU %domain%\%username% /RP %password% 
                              schtasks /RUN /TN fas
                              
                              

                              I was able to get the gui to pop up manually running the scheduled task from the command line but it didn’t do the same when run as a snapin. Perhaps it just can’t be done or I’m missing something. I suppose I could make the whole batch script be the scheduled task instead of just the exe version of the autoit script.

                              Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                              https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                              https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                              https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                              https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                Quazz Moderator @JJ Fullmer
                                last edited by Quazz Jun 22, 2016, 1:11 AM Jun 22, 2016, 7:10 AM

                                @JJ-Fullmer Perhaps try the /IT (interactive) switch

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                                  ITSolutions Testers @JJ Fullmer
                                  last edited by Jun 22, 2016, 1:21 PM

                                  @JJ-Fullmer I started digging a little further and found my scripts that I used for that and started to remember a few things. I had mixed results with the scheduled task also it worked sometimes, but not always and so I had to come up with a different solution and what I did was created a runonce entry in the reg and an auto login, then rebooted the machine. At the end of the script that ran I logged back off automatically, this is how I was able to consistently get the program to run. I eventually found a different solution for the program I was using and no longer had to use this. Hopefully you can make use of it though

                                  reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\RunOnce /v LWSoftware /t REG_SZ /d \\10.1.90.2\software$\Software_install.bat /f
                                  reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" /v DefaultDomainName /t REG_SZ /d .
                                  reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" /v DefaultUsername /t REG_SZ /d Thecontrollerofall
                                  reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" /v DefaultPassword /t REG_SZ /d supersecret
                                  reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" /v AutoAdminLogon /t REG_SZ /d 1
                                  reg add "HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon" /v AutoLogonCount /t REG_SZ /d 1
                                  

                                  Just in case you were wondering this was my scheduled task script, that as I said I got it to work on a couple machines, but very unreliable

                                  C:\Windows\system32>schtasks /create /tn "FOG install" /tr "\\10.1.90.2\software$\Software_Install.bat" /sc once /st 12:00 /f
                                  C:\Windows\system32>schtasks /run /tn "fog install"
                                  C:\Windows\system32>schtasks /delete /tn "fog install"
                                  
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                                    JJ Fullmer Testers
                                    last edited by Jun 22, 2016, 8:12 PM

                                    The autologon idea might work, because most of the time the snapin would be installed right after imaging and I have a autologon for a setupcomplete type script. But I’d prefer a more flexible snapin solution that doesn’t require a restart, because it looks like a lot of the programs we use aren’t very scripting friendly.

                                    @Quazz I tried the /IT switch it still didn’t work when started from the system account sadly.

                                    I’m still experimenting with this. I’m trying to move to a Windows 10 LTSB image with a more snapin provisioning style for all my programs rather than having them all pre-installed in the image.

                                    So I’ll keep playing with it and report back if I happen to find a universal solution that hasn’t been yet suggested.

                                    Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                    https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                    https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                    https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                    https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                      kwetiaw
                                      last edited by Aug 29, 2016, 4:22 AM

                                      I know this is an old thread, but i am trying to achieve the same as @JJ-Fullmer. Automating post install of reboot restore rx using the snap in.

                                      My environment is Fog 1.3.0. RC8 with smartinstaller. So this is not possible?

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                                        Wayne Workman @kwetiaw
                                        last edited by Aug 29, 2016, 1:11 PM

                                        @kwetiaw The professional version allows for network deployment, they also offer a msi repackager for the professional version. http://support.horizondatasys.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/97/0/rollback-rx-deployment-guide

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