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      Quazz Moderator @JJ Fullmer
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      @Arrowhead-IT @Wayne-Workman

      I found some more interesting information on this subject: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/How+to+Configure+the+Windows+Default+User+Profile

      They recommend deleting the shell items of the ntuser.dat if you copy it from a different profile.

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        Wayne Workman @Quazz
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        @Quazz I’ve not done that, everything seems fine. I wonder what potential issues there could be? I’m not copying the default user’s registry entries, just the files I believe.

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          Quazz Moderator @Wayne Workman
          last edited by Quazz

          @Wayne-Workman Not sure what the copy profile thing actually transfers, but if ntuser.dat is part of it then that’s where the user’s registry keys are in.

          You can test it by loading it in regedit and searching for the account it was transfered from.

          I figure windows would alter that regardless upon account creation, though, so you may be right that it’s unnecessary.

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            Quazz Moderator @Wayne Workman
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            @Wayne-Workman It seems like this is not necessary on Pro versions of Windows, but it is on Home Premium! At least that’s how my test situations have turned out so far. In Home Premium it seems to copy over literally everything and in Pro it is more clever about it.

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            • Wayne WorkmanW
              Wayne Workman @Quazz
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              @Quazz I’m sure Arrowhead wrote this for Pro/Enterprise. Makes sense.

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              • JJ FullmerJ
                JJ Fullmer Testers @Wayne Workman
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                @Wayne-Workman @Quazz
                Sorry I took an extra day on the long weekend and was out of town. Just seeing these posts.

                I will make a public git repo when I have a chance with these scripts.

                I will also look into the deleting shell items from the ntuser.dat. I wonder what those hold.

                The ntuser.dat is the registry entries, so you are copying a file that contains registry entries.

                I did make it with enterprise and only enterprise in mind really. That’s all I use in a work environment. Granted, I imagine they could be adapted to work on the other versions.

                Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                • JJ FullmerJ
                  JJ Fullmer Testers @Wayne Workman
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                  @Wayne-Workman said in Cortana/Windows Search breaks in default profile:

                  @Arrowhead-IT can you make a git repo with your two scripts in it, with a read me and a GNU GPLv3 license?

                  @Tom-Elliott Say, could my github user be added to the fog project group so I can add this there?

                  Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                  https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                  https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                  https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                  https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                    Twilems
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                    The scripts are working fine. But my problem is that i want to use the default profile to use as mandatory profile. When i do that i get an error “the service Group Policy Client prevents logon”. What can i do about it?

                    Is there anyone uses Mandatory Profiles for Windows 10?
                    It’s for our environment. It’s a school with students. So we don’t want they can make any changes in the profile. That’s the reason we choose for a mandatory profile.

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                      Quazz Moderator @Twilems
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                      @Twilems http://www.linuxgfx.co.uk/karoshi/documentation/wiki/index.php?title=Creating_a_Windows_10_Mandatory_Profile might help.

                      Basically you need to alter the registry key permissions and ownerships of the default ntsuer.man

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                      • Wayne WorkmanW
                        Wayne Workman @Twilems
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                        @Twilems I work in a school as well. I’m not concerned about the students customizing what they are allowed to customize. A great deal of things are locked down via group policy, to include wallpaper, screensavers, themes, resolution, control pannel, access to the command prompt, numerous file extension screenings and rules, no access to the c:\ drive. However, if they want to re-arrange the tiles in the start menu I don’t care about that, also re-arranging or customizing the task bar icons, that’s fine with me. Maybe they have a good reason for it, maybe it makes their life easier.

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                          JJ Fullmer Testers @Wayne Workman
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                          @Wayne-Workman said in Cortana/Windows Search breaks in default profile:

                          @Arrowhead-IT can you make a git repo with your two scripts in it, with a read me and a GNU GPLv3 license?

                          I made the repo where they will go.

                          I was trying to decide whether I wanted to make one repo or a bunch for a few other fog-snapin/image prep type scripts.
                          For now it’s just the one repo. I’d prefer it to be in the fog-project group of repos, but it doesn’t have to be. I’ll link to the fog-project repos for sure though.

                          https://github.com/darksidemilk/Create-and-Deploy-Windows-Default-Profiles

                          Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                          https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                          https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                          https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                          https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                            Quazz Moderator @JJ Fullmer
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                            @Arrowhead-IT Just a fyi, you can modify it slightly to allow for spaces in share names/paths by putting quotation marks whenever the share variables are called. I tested this earlier and it works great.

                            Your script is pretty awesome 🙂

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                              Wayne Workman
                              last edited by Wayne Workman

                              Yeah, this script was a life saver for me. It accomplishes SO much stuff that I’d otherwise have to set a TON of bloated Microsoft group policy for. I’m not scared of group policy at all, in fact I’m really good at it. But I’ve learned through experience that overall, less group policy is better group policy. So now I always always always try to find alternatives to it before using it. This script being a great example, fog snapins and printer management being another great example. Hell even startup scripts or login scripts are more safe than a pile of bloated group policy. Group Policy usually works, but it slows things down. I’ve ran extensive tests on this, recording times for different things, recording environment setups, making tables of results, and replicating results from scratch to confirm, for months on end (Scientific Method). Group Policy is always my last choice now.

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                                Quazz Moderator
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                                Apparentally, to prevent Windows search from breaking after copying the profile over, all you have to do is delete

                                AppData\Local\Microsoft\Windows\UsrClass.dat
                                

                                Windows will create one on login.

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                                  Wayne Workman @Quazz
                                  last edited by

                                  @Quazz That definitely needs integrated into the script.

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                                    Quazz Moderator @Wayne Workman
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                                    @Wayne-Workman Due to the difficulty in removing this file under Windows (close to impossible), this should be deleted after the profile is copied to the NAS, so that when you deploy it it gets deployed without the incorrect metro registry settings.

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                                      Quazz Moderator @Quazz
                                      last edited by

                                      @Quazz Scratch that, it still seems to cause issues, but I’m looking into some ntuser.dat stuff to fix it.

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                                        Quazz Moderator @Quazz
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                                        @Quazz Well that didn’t solve anything, so I’m going to try out a little program called Defprof which should supposedly be compatible with W10 and do everything I hope it does.

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                                        • JJ FullmerJ
                                          JJ Fullmer Testers @Wayne Workman
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                                          @Wayne-Workman said in Cortana/Windows Search breaks in default profile:

                                          @Quazz That definitely needs integrated into the script.

                                          I believe it already is integrated in the script. The only .dat files it should copy are the ntuser.dat files. But I could be wrong on that one.
                                          I’m still planning on some serious work on this to make it only edit the ntuser.dat hive for each setting stored there instead of copying the whole thing. But I have a lot of other projects that have to take priority at the moment. I will make a note to add in an explicit exclude in the copy for the UsrClass.dat just to be safe.

                                          Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                          https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                          https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                          https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                          https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                          • JJ FullmerJ
                                            JJ Fullmer Testers @JJ Fullmer
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                                            @Arrowhead-IT Of course since it is in github now, anyone is welcome to help with commits and contributions 😃

                                            Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                            https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                            https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                            https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                            https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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