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XenServer - Fog VM Poor Upload Speeds

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    FordST
    last edited by Jul 8, 2015, 3:35 PM

    I recently virtualized our Fog system on to our XenServer Hyper-visor. We have extremely poor upload speeds when trying to upload an image. Around 700-800 MB/min. We were getting around 2-3 GB/min prior to virtualizing.

    Is this just an issue with using a VM or can this be fixed?

    We are running on XenServer 6.5 and the VM that fog is running on is Ubuntu 12.04

    Thanks

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      Wayne Workman
      last edited by Jul 8, 2015, 3:46 PM

      I think it’s an issue specific to Your VM. I run FOG in Hyper-V and I have really good upload speeds.

      It sounds like your vm has only a 100 meg connection… Perhaps try different network adapters. Make sure your HDDs are set to SATA and not IDE.

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        Joseph Hales Testers
        last edited by Jul 8, 2015, 4:20 PM

        Someone also mentioned to allocate at least 4 cores to it or performance suffers.

        RTFM

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          Wayne Workman @Joseph Hales
          last edited by Jul 8, 2015, 4:23 PM

          @Joseph-Hales https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/5116/imaging-transfer-rates-vm-vs-physical-machine

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            ch3i Moderator @FordST
            last edited by Jul 8, 2015, 7:07 PM

            @FordST I can confirm that’s is the bandwith of a 100Mb connection. I have a 100Mb connection on our switchs and I have the same result.

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              Jarli
              last edited by Jul 9, 2015, 7:12 PM

              This can’t be a 100MB vNIC issue, he receives 4-5GB write speeds from the Ubuntu (fog) server to his laptops. With the current setup.

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                Wayne Workman @FordST
                last edited by Jul 9, 2015, 7:23 PM

                @FordST Run bandwidth throughput test using a 3rd party tool to confirm your interface speed:

                https://iperf.fr/

                Let us know what you find.

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                  FordST
                  last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 2:59 PM

                  Hey Guys,

                  Sorry for the delay, I decided to do a fresh install of Fedora on our XenServer.

                  Currently I am getting ~1.5GB/min upload.

                  I haven’t tested pulling an image as I haven’t migrated the images over.

                  I am going to do a throughput test like @Wayne-Workman suggested. I will update with results.

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                    FordST @Wayne Workman
                    last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:30 PM

                    @Wayne-Workman We get 941 Mbits/sec when running a 1GB file through iperf…

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                      netman86
                      last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:39 PM

                      I hate to ask the obvious, but are your xenserver tools on that VM up to date? XenServer does wonky networking things if the VM tools are out of date- and IIRC reverts to 100mbit if they’re not installed at all.

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                        FordST @netman86
                        last edited by FordST Jul 13, 2015, 10:47 AM Jul 13, 2015, 4:46 PM

                        @netman86

                        All up-to-date. I am pulling images at 7GB/min currently…

                        I just turned compression down to 0 and now we are uploading at 3-3.5GB/min, it peaked around 5GB/min at the start.

                        Anything I can do to up that speed?

                        It’s not crucial at this point… I was just upset about the 700-800MB/min range.

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                          ch3i Moderator @FordST
                          last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:48 PM

                          @FordST said:

                          @netman86

                          All up-to-date. I am pulling images at 7GB/min currently…

                          I just turned compression down to 0 and now we are uploading at 3-3.5GB/min, it peaked around 5GB/min at the start.

                          Anything I can do to up that speed?

                          It’s not crucial at this point… I was just upset about the 700-800MB/min range.

                          The speed/compression depends CPU. If you have good cpu (multi core) on client, you can set a high compression. On poor CPU configuration set compression to 0. There is on wiki something about compression.

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                            FordST @ch3i
                            last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:50 PM

                            @ch3i Turning up the compression kills my upload speed. CPU performance doesn’t budge though… It sits under 10% usage. That’s another issue though…

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                              ch3i Moderator @FordST
                              last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:51 PM

                              @FordST said:

                              @ch3i Turning up the compression kills my upload speed. CPU performance doesn’t budge though… It sits under 10% usage. That’s another issue though…

                              Client CPU, the compression is client side.

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                                FordST @ch3i
                                last edited by Jul 13, 2015, 4:53 PM

                                @ch3i Ohhhhh ok, thanks for that, that makes sense.

                                So I should see peak upload speeds at 0 compression, correct?

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                                  ch3i Moderator @FordST
                                  last edited by ch3i Jul 13, 2015, 10:54 AM Jul 13, 2015, 4:53 PM

                                  @FordST said:

                                  @ch3i Ohhhhh ok, thanks for that, that makes sense.

                                  So I should see peak upload speeds at 0 compression, correct?

                                  Yep and no lol If you have good CPU, compression around 5/6 is faster download/upload than 0.

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                                    Wayne Workman @FordST
                                    last edited by Jul 14, 2015, 12:55 AM

                                    @FordST said:

                                    we are uploading at 3-3.5GB/min, it peaked around 5GB/min at the start.
                                    Anything I can do to up that speed?

                                    With a Core i5 and 1Gbps network connection, that’s as good as it gets pretty much. Your performance is where it should be now.

                                    Faster upload speeds don’t mean faster upload times, as @ch3i pointed out. It’s a balancing of compression and network speed.

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                                      Tom S Developer @Wayne Workman
                                      last edited by Jul 14, 2015, 1:05 AM

                                      @Wayne-Workman
                                      Agreed, currently I am running on VM with dual quad xeon core running as fast as a vm most likely can. I am currently running uploads of about 3-5 GBmin and downloads of about 6gbmin. This is running across our WAN of fibre back bone and true gigabit switches. I mean downloading Windows 7 image in 7 minutes. I have not experienced anything faster even with very expensive commercial products.

                                      And correct me if I am wrong but quit some time ago the compression switched to the client side of things meaning, the server is not going to be the bottle neck but more the client processing the compression/decompression. So you can have a very fast server but if the client is running an economy processor then thing may become a bit slower.

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                                        Wayne Workman @Tom S
                                        last edited by Wayne Workman Jul 13, 2015, 7:10 PM Jul 14, 2015, 1:08 AM

                                        @Tom-S said:

                                        I mean downloading Windows 7 image in 7 minutes. I have not experienced anything faster even with very expensive commercial products.

                                        +1,000,000 points to the @Developers Job well done.

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                                          Wayne Workman @Tom S
                                          last edited by Jul 14, 2015, 1:12 AM

                                          @Tom-S said:

                                          @Wayne-Workman
                                          So you can have a very fast server but if the client is running an economy processor then thing may become a bit slower.

                                          True, but when you offload the CPU work, you not only free up the server’s CPU, but you free up the server’s bandwidth.

                                          And, while one client with an economy processor might run slow, you can run significantly more concurrently.

                                          Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG!
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