FOG must expand multiple OS, including Windows servers!



  • Re: F.O.G on windows server It is with pain in my heart that I have to say this to the stubborn Linux community, I am not angry but only very sad that this is still not possible… Open source, does that mean that it only applies to Linux?
    Why waking this up? I know that a lot of people put time money and energy into Linux and all products available, but can’t we just try to make something to work on other OS’s, so that more people can contribute in a way to the community.
    Now It looks like a bit working in the shade, not that Linux (or Unix) has not got a foothold in the world, no, it is clearly visible, but It lacks a bit.

    If I want to put up a fog server, I have to install a linux variant, and I have to pick the right one, because in the past I made such attempts many times concluding that some versions did not work with FOG. What a shame, hours spend to install it, and then from the errors I got to know that the OS is flawed… (ubuntu 16 -> 14) it did not work with FOG…

    Such things happen, but the bridge between OS’s must be made, this is giving this piece of software such a big opportunity to expand real big. I know for a fact that a lot of companies now dwindle with GHOST and equivalent programs, but it must not be that hard for those who can program, to make a connection between FOG and Windows Server OS… Without virtualization ofcourse. (Then it still runs on Linux and that is totally not the idea)

    I hope You, in the community, see the benefit of it, not only the lame facts that has been spewed out into the world around Linux.

    Why? I tell a short story: I have this laptop with Ubuntu 1.14 i think, and with a lot of googling i installed FOG, commands I gave made no freaking sense to me, I could not comprehend the structure as I am a Novell-Microsoft man, so those were unclear. But it worked. After a year or so, I wanted to check upon it, seeing that it had no harddisk space left, and it needed updates… How am I going to start? Everything I do is type commands you put on the WWW, nothing that gives a meaning. If I go to Windows server, i can see the volumes, the space that is left, I can alter, move, work clearly without any compromise and I wished that Linux worked like this, user friendly, management friendly. Now maybe this is in the past, I don’t know, because I never dug into it in the last year, so, tell me, Isn’t there a soul who would like to put some elbow grease in it and start expanding the OS-world of FOG???

    Absolutely no hard feelings, just respect for the work you all do, and the ease you find it to make Linux something that is your second native language, but not mine. I am too damn old to pick it up…

    Thanks for reading, listening and I hope to see something in the near future…



  • @wayne-workman Says the man with an aintient electonictube as picture…(-: I am too old to pick that stuff up now, been trying that on and off for the last 10 years, as i told you, it doesn’t stick to me…

    And I am happy for you people who can master Linux, I envy you that it comes to you easier than to me… I really do not know how to get started to solve my problem…

    So, it is google all the way for me…

    Thanks for sticking around and actually add something usefull to the community, I on the other hand am to stupid to help!
    (I think…)



  • I think rather than asking the community to do something for you, you should just learn some Linux. It’d improve your job prospects greatly.


  • Developer

    @avandel said in FOG must expand multiple OS, including Windows servers!:

    …and so to say it is something to wait for, even if it takes a few years…

    Ps. it was not my idea to bash heads, but merely to point out that such a great program needs a bigger community…

    Those two comments simply don’t go together! It’s just not fair to wait for others to join the community. YOU are part of the community!! Go get into it and help us move forward.



  • @avandel said in FOG must expand multiple OS, including Windows servers!:

    If I go to Windows server, i can see the volumes, the space that is left, I can alter, move, work clearly without any compromise and I wished that Linux worked like this, user friendly, management friendly.

    All this is really easy for me in Linux. I only have about 3 going on 4 years of Linux experience.
    I used Windows before that - it took me years to master Windows, to know all the areas, the registry, the tricks.

    I’m not saying I learned Linux faster because it’s easier. What I’d say is that Linux is a better fit for me as a person.



  • Gentlemen, gentlemen, i told that I have the deepest respect for you guys, working hard for zippo(not the lighterbrand) (nothing)
    I am very pleased you gave an eye opener and so to say it is something to wait for, even if it takes a few years…
    Yes please, lets put their efforts into developing FOG 2.0.
    Thanks for the insight…

    Signed: A FOG-fan!

    Ps. it was not my idea to bash heads, but merely to point out that such a great program needs a bigger community… It is awesome and I have worked with the older version some 8 years ago, and I always wanted to have my own fog server… It never, ever failed once and that was the time before multicasting… So Thumbs up!


  • Senior Developer

    To expand on @george1421 comment about our roadmap with FOG 2.0. Cross-platform compatibility is something we definitely aim to have. But as George mentioned, it would require a complete rewrite of the backend. Doing so would leave our users without updates or improvements for an extended period of time. We do have a roadmap on how to get to 2.0 and without leaving our users feeling abandoned, but given our limited resources it will take time. We will be posting a news announcement at some point, explaining this roadmap and how we aim to solve many of the legacy issues our users still face.

    Developing large changes is a common struggle for many free, open-source, projects. If you, your company, or any of our other users would like to see FOG 2.0 come to fruition sooner, consider becoming a sponsor, helping out with development, or any other form of donation.


  • Moderator

    Realize because of the tone of your post its hard to respond not like a angry bear protecting its young.

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    I’m not going to debate the windows / linux which is best either or how much did you really pay for FOG vs Ghost (which Symantec has now destroyed).

    I can tell you on the FOG horizon there will be options to install FOG on other operating systems. FOG 2.0 is a complete rewrite of the FOG platform to run inside a Node.js container. Any operating system that supports note.js will be able to run FOG. Yes, this means even MS Windows will be able to be the server for FOG. I have seen the beginnings of FOG 2.0 and it looks great. It has a log way to go to even catch up to where FOG 1.x is today. Realize that FOG 1.x relies on a lot of other open source applications to work. The FOG program is the glue that integrates these other applications into a working imaging tool.

    I can also see that Microsoft is making it harder for non-Microsoft imaging tools to function with each update to its windows platform. This is making a lot of companies switch from their current imaging tool to SCCM. In general I can see the market for non-Microosoft imaging tools will start to go away.

    There are many ways you (even as a MS Windows only speaker) can contribute to either FOG or other open source projects. Many FOSS groups can use help to do many things. Don’t just take from the FOSS community, at some point you should give back.

    [Update]
    Thinking about it on the commute into work, it is totally possible for FOG to run under MS Windows. FOG is based on the LAMP stack (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP). There is a WAMP standard stack for MS Windows. I have already created a proof of concept for using MS Windows as a FOG storage node. https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/10097/setting-up-a-windows-2012-server-as-a-fog-storage-node Connecting that tutorial with a WAMP stack and a few posix utilities from cygwin and a few ported linux application recompiled for MS Windows and you can too could run FOG under MS Windows.

    Now I can’t speak for the Developers here, but I would rather see the developers put their efforts into developing FOG 2.0 over working through the details to port FOG 1.x to the Windows platform, which would now require you to burn a MS Windows license just to install FOG. The point being if you are motivated enough YOU COULD port FOG 1.x to MS Windows with a few hours of effort.


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