Microsoft Surface Pro 4

[Scott Adams]

@Sebastian-Roth I am currently out of the office on vacation. When I get back, I will be more than happy to get one and start testing.

[fry_p]

@Sebastian-Roth Sorry for the delay, I will hit this on Monday. We’ve been re-wiring Chromebook carts the past few weeks and I’ve been absent from FOG dealings and checking the forums. I will try to find a spare Pro 4 to fiddle with

[fry_p]

@fry_p said in Microsoft Surface Pro 4:

@Sebastian-Roth Sorry for the delay, I will hit this on Monday. We’ve been re-wiring Chromebook carts the past few weeks and I’ve been absent from FOG dealings and checking the forums. I will try to find a spare Pro 4 to fiddle with

Hi there, I came back that Monday and had to give away my last Pro 4 to a user. So I guess I’m out for testing this, my apologies. We aren’t planning on purchasing any more in the near future as they are not durable enough for our “rough” users. Sorry everyone

[Avaryan]

I’m still waiting for some. I heard they possibly might not arrive until September… which I really hope isn’t true.

edit: Confirmed ETA. Sometime in mid August.

[fry_p]

@Sebastian-Roth I got my hands on a Pro 4 and tested all 76 of the .efi files you had up in drive. I made notes. Let me know if you need more info. It seems to have worked up until the 5/4/17 commit.

EDIT: They took my surface away for a user before I was able to test the svn folder on the Google Drive folder you shared @Sebastian-Roth

[Sebastian Roth]

@fry_p Thanks heaps for testing the binaries so far! What does USB error mean? PXE boots fine or not?

From your tests it looks like the code change on EFI timer (git 757ab9) broke things. Is anyone else able to verify this (and test the SVN binaries too) before I get in contact with the iPXE devs? @Avaryan @Scott-Adams? You just need to test 04_ipxe.efi and 05_ipxe.efi! Plus testing the binaries in the svn subfolder would be highly appreciated as well. Find it all here.

[Avaryan]

I love how I started this topic and have made 0 contributions, lol.

Apparently the Surface 4 is in “high demand”; which is why it’s taking so long to come in. Eventually I’ll get my hands on one.

[fry_p]

@Sebastian-Roth I should have just put “OK” instead. With just the Surface Pro Ethernet adapter, I always get a USB error past the pxe boot, when it is preparing to image. I can use a powered USB hub to get it to work in those situations. You can change those to avoid confusion, but they pxe booted fine up until the commit you specified. If I can get my hands on another in the near future, I’ll get those svn versions as well.

@Avaryan , you can see that my Surfaces keep getting deployed to users before I can finish testing! They are certainly in high demand around where I work. You are right about that

[Avaryan]

Was informed that the Surface devices came in today. May have one next week.

[Sebastian Roth]

Right after verifying the tests on 04/05_ipxe (see below) you can also try the debug enabled iPXE binary (DEBUG=efi_timer) to see where it hangs/loops. Find 00_efi_timer_ipxe.efi in the same google drive folder as mentioned below.

[Avaryan]

Finally got a Surface Pro 4 to work with.

I’m not even sure where to start with this thing, lol. The USB NIC is from Dell.

I’ve disabled Secure Boot and Trusted Platform Module and left PXE Network as the only boot option. Doesn’t seem to do anything.

Where do I go from here?

[fry_p]

@avaryan From what I understand, it will only pxe boot from a microsoft dongle.

From the Website
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/ethernet-adapters-and-surface-device-deployment

“Third-party Ethernet adapters are also supported for network deployment, although they do not support PXE boot. To use a third-party Ethernet adapter, you must load the drivers into the deployment boot image and you must launch that boot image from a separate storage device, such as a USB stick”

[Avaryan]

Does FOG support UEFI?

[george1421]

@avaryan yes, fog supports uefi. You need to tell your dhcp server to send the name ipxe.efi to the target computer instead of undionly.kpxe.

[Avaryan]

@george1421 Do you think this would enable FOG to work with the Surface? And through the 3rd party dongle?

[fry_p]

@george1421 @Avaryan If I am not mistaken, you should try the ipxe7156.efi until we have this figured out right? Newer ones don’t work with the surface.

EDIT: If you have a mixed environment, I’d recommend looking at this page UEFI and BIOS Co-Existence in FOG

[Avaryan]

@fry_p Wouldn’t the 3rd party dongle still effect this?

[fry_p]

@avaryan I have never tried anything but the Microsoft Dongle. It may certainly be worth a try.

[george1421]

@fry_p said in Microsoft Surface Pro 4:

you should try the ipxe7156.efi until we have this figured out right

You are 100% correct that specific ipxe kernel version works with the surface pros. I forgot all about that.

[george1421]

@avaryan said in Microsoft Surface Pro 4:

Wouldn’t the 3rd party dongle still effect this?

The problem with 3rd party dognles is that they HAVE to be supported by the uefi roms on the target computer. While this next statement is not 100% correct, it pretty close. The uefi firmware is a bit more like a linux OS than bios interface. It is written in mostly C and requires kernel level drivers to interface with hardware. The hardware you want to plug in must be supported by the uefi firmware or be extended by onboard uefi firmware on the attached device.