Show Saved Group\Snappin\AD InfRunning Version 8343 SVN Revision: 5799o

  • First off I’m running FOG Trunk Running Version 8343 SVN Revision: 5799. I need to update to current but I haven’t done so yet this week.


    One pet peeve of mine is not being able to see my changes to each group. An example of this would be when you first open your group up (general menu) no changes show up in group description, group product key, group kernel, group kernel arguments, ect.

    This also goes for showing which snapin is active. Why not have one menu item that says snappins and show which ones are active and allow the user to deactivate\add\remove them there? Just a thought.

    Additionally, the info for Active Directory is not shown. I understand why this is true but it would be nice to at least see something indicating which account is being used to add computers to the domain and also show the domain name.

    I enter all my stuff into FOG then hope and pray it was entered correctly and is going to work. I’m the type that likes to go back and double and triple check things before I push the images out. I can’t really do that here since I can’t see my changes.

    Just a few things I’ve noticed. 🙂

    I really really do love FOG though. I’m hooked.



    Joe Gill

  • @Wayne-Workman

    I agree in that situation it probably would be best to keep it the way it is. My situation is a little different. Most of my groups are much smaller, in comparison, with similar hardware/software setups on every machine in the group.

    I organize my groups based on room/lab in the school, every room has similar hardware ect. So it’s much different, it sounds. I’d just like to see a central location where I could see what settings are on larger groups of computers without having to go into each host to check it. Even if it were on a separate settings page. That’s all.

    I just ran into an issue this morning where I’m adding printers to a group. I navigate to the group, click on printers, select printer for group, click add printer, click update and then all of my selections disappear. You have no idea whether your changes were ever applied to the group. To me it would be nice to see the printer check box remain checked after update is selected, and maybe the update button grayed out. Something simple to let the user know that things have actually been applied without having to go into each host.



  • I have to express my opinion and concerns about showing settings in groups.

    At work, we have a group with over 1k computers in it - they vary in model and OS.

    Every time I go to look at that group, there’s a location that is pre-filled in for me - and while that location is the right one for maybe 100 computers, it’s wrong for the other 1k computers. One single simple “update” click without changing the location to blank could result in one of the fog servers getting pummeled to death. Of course it can be fixed by searching, finding computers at each location, resetting the location field - that would probably take 15 minutes to do - until one person unknowingly just clicks update again on the displayed values of the group.

    Product keys pose similar problems. We have a mixture of Windows 7, 8.1, 10Ent, and 10LTSB. Their product keys are not interchangeable, and if the group displays what most hosts have as a product key - there will be big trouble in little china the first time someone just clicks the “update” button on the group unknowingly.

    Other fields that automatically suggest settings for groups are equally bad for business.

  • @Tom-Elliott

    Yes I do see that most things do stay now after update button is pressed. Thanks!

    It would be really nice to see some indication that a product key has been entered for the group. Just like how the password is displayed now for AD.

    On Add Snappins it would be nice to see the check box checked or unchecked depending on whether the snappin is set to be deployed or not.

    Hope that helps.

    Thanks again!


  • Senior Developer

    @Joe-Gill If you update the group with the relevant Key, does this value retain after update? Like I said, AD Pass and Product Key, within groups, will likely not show forever. This is because these values are recreated per each host. The only way to “see” what data is stored within the group is to check ALL hosts and see if their information matches across all hosts, otherwise you run some potential other risks.

  • @Tom-Elliott

    So I updated to current and am still getting this. I did check the AD settings and it does show up there now. So that looks resolved. The Group Product Key would be nice to see. I don’t care about the encrypted stuff. I just like to be able to check to make sure I remembered to set everything.

    It may also be nice to have a repository within FOG for licence keys. Or to be able to see which machines are using which keys in a report. Just a thought. Not hugely critical but may be handy.

    Thanks Tom!


  • Senior Developer

    Please update and see again. I fixed group AD display issues yesterday evening. The reason productKey and possibly ad pass may not appear is because those are stored encrypted individually to the hosts. I typically display the particular setting if all hosts in the group have the same values in the respective fields. Snapins don’t do this because there isn’t a nice/accurate way to see all hosts matching specific snapins. I could switch it to a similar look/feel as printers though.

  • @Joe-Gill I can give you SQL commands that will pull the data you want, if you’re interested.

    I don’t know how easy or possible displaying these things are for groups. Perhaps a read-only table of members and their settings accessible from the group would be a possible solution, but it would probably be limited. There are a ton of settings per-host. Power Management, Screen resolution, service settings, printers, snapins, the list goes on. And to make things more difficult, a host can have many printers, many snapins, many power settings… how to display all of that in some organized fashion all at once? It is possible but It’d probably be ugly - which is why I say a table showing host settings of a group would likely be limited in scope.

    Perhaps a report organized by group would be better?

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