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    • S
      Sebastian Roth Moderator
      last edited by

      @Arrowhead-IT Tom has just updated the unofficial inits on his server again. Re-worked download and improved upload a little more. See here: https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/6036/hp-stream-11-pro/65

      Please try those and let us know! Thanks in advance.

      Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

      Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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      • Tom ElliottT
        Tom Elliott @Sebastian Roth
        last edited by

        @Sebastian-Roth He’s unfortunately out until January 4th for holiday.

        Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

        Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

        Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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          Toby777
          last edited by

          Hi guys,

          I did update the inits with the ones below and I noticed an odd behaviour where I was imaging a standard notebook with a standard SSD. After it had completed the partclone process, and it went through resizing the partition etc… rather than restarting the PC to boot up normally, it immediately restarted the partclone download process all over again.

          After reverting back to the original inits, this didn’t happen.

          Just thought I’d let you know.

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          • Tom ElliottT
            Tom Elliott @Toby777
            last edited by

            @Toby777 I’m aware of the issue and it should already be fixed. My build environment was acting up so I have gotten around to having it rebuild the inits quite yet.

            Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

            Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

            Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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            • JJ FullmerJ
              JJ Fullmer Testers
              last edited by

              I have returned from holiday and just tested out the latest inits.
              All seems to be working perfectly.
              Thanks for all the help!

              Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
              https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
              https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
              https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
              https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                george1421 Moderator
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                • JJ FullmerJ
                  JJ Fullmer Testers @JJ Fullmer
                  last edited by

                  @Arrowhead-IT ummmm, I just did another test to be more thorough and discovered a problem.
                  After mps successfully downloaded I tried downloading a resizable image and it failed to recreate the partition table.
                  Sorry for the false hope

                  Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                  https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                  https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                  https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                  https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                    Sebastian Roth Moderator
                    last edited by

                    @Arrowhead-IT Thanks for testing and letting us know. Do you see any particular error message? What does your partition layout exactly look like?

                    Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                    Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                    • JJ FullmerJ
                      JJ Fullmer Testers
                      last edited by

                      I just finished working with @Tom-Elliott we got it working. It was a simple fix.
                      It’s in the latest fog update now. So nvme drives work with fog 100% now right out of the box. Awesome like a possum!

                      Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                      https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                      https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                      https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                      https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                      • Tom ElliottT
                        Tom Elliott @JJ Fullmer
                        last edited by

                        @Arrowhead-IT if you can would you be willing to test upload and download again for the resize and multipartition image types?

                        Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

                        Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                        Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                        • JJ FullmerJ
                          JJ Fullmer Testers @Tom Elliott
                          last edited by

                          @Tom-Elliott It shall be done.

                          Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                          https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                          https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                          https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                          https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                          • JJ FullmerJ
                            JJ Fullmer Testers @Tom Elliott
                            last edited by JJ Fullmer

                            @Tom-Elliott said:

                            @Arrowhead-IT if you can would you be willing to test upload and download again for the resize and multipartition image types?

                            I will edit this post like before as I test each scenario.
                            If there is a scenario I’m missing here let me know and I’ll test that too.
                            I will try to be thorough as I can.

                            Download of existing image created from vm

                            Resizable (Windows 8.1) - Success! No Issues!

                            Resizable (Windows 10) - Success! No issues!

                            Multi-partition (Linux CentOS Ext4 and LVM) - Failed - New Error
                            0_1452787933089_Capture.PNG
                            I think this indicates a problem with the image file itself not the imaging process. I’ll reupload this one and test a different mps image in the meantime.
                            Edit Reuploaded the image, this is centOS vm that has no mbr apparently. So this is a different problem entirely related linux lvm images. normal mps images work fine

                            Multi-partition (Windows 7) - Success! Edit No Issues!
                            before
                            Note: Changing hostname said failed after imaging in debug mode. 0_1452788642840_Capture.PNG

                            Upload from nvme

                            Resizable (Windows 10 ) - retesting

                            Multi-partition -

                            Download of newly uploaded image from nvme

                            Resizable (Windows 8.1 ) - Failed - Could not find hard disk on system - getHardDisk function

                            Multi-partition

                            Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                            https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                            https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                            https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                            https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                            • JJ FullmerJ
                              JJ Fullmer Testers
                              last edited by

                              @Tom-Elliott
                              On version 6048 I did a debug download of a resizable image
                              The following is the full output (run from ssh) including the looping error once it tried to enter partclone
                              It did not seem to ever exit the error loop no many how many steps. It got stuck in this same loop on 6040 in a quickimage and never exited, so I updated and ran it in debug

                               # fog
                                 +------------------------------------------+
                                 |     ..#######:.    ..,#,..     .::##::.  |
                                 |.:######          .:;####:......;#;..     |
                                 |...##...        ...##;,;##::::.##...      |
                                 |   ,#          ...##.....##:::##     ..:: |
                                 |   ##    .::###,,##.   . ##.::#.:######::.|
                                 |...##:::###::....#. ..  .#...#. #...#:::. |
                                 |..:####:..    ..##......##::##  ..  #     |
                                 |    #  .      ...##:,;##;:::#: ... ##..   |
                                 |   .#  .       .:;####;::::.##:::;#:..    |
                                 |    #                     ..:;###..       |
                                 |                                          |
                                 +------------------------------------------+
                                 |      Free Computer Imaging Solution      |
                                 +------------------------------------------+
                                 |  Credits: http://fogproject.org/Credits  |
                                 |       http://fogproject.org/Credits      |
                                 |       Released under GPL Version 3       |
                                 +------------------------------------------+
                                 Version: 6048
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Verifying network interface configuration.........Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Checking Operating System.........................Windows 8.1
                               * Checking CPU Cores................................8
                               * Send method.......................................NFS
                               * Attempting to check in............................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Mounting File System..............................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Checking Mounted File System......................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Checking img variable is set......................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Attempting to send inventory......................
                              
                              Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                               * Using Image: ResizableNVMEUpTest
                               * Looking for Hard Disk.............................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                               * Using Disk: /dev/nvme0n1
                               * Checking write caching status on HDD..............Enabled
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Preparing Partition layout
                               * Wiping /dev/nvme0n1 partition information
                               * Erasing current MBR/GPT Tables....................
                              Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                               * Creating disk with new label......................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Initializing /dev/nvme0n1 with NTFS partition.....Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Formatting initialized partition..................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Erasing current MBR/GPT Tables....................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Restoring Partition Tables (MBR)..................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Inserting Extended partitions.....................Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Attempting to expand/fill partitions..............Done
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                                 +--------------------------------+
                                 |  Attempting to download image  |
                                 +--------------------------------+
                                 |         Using Partclone        |
                                 +--------------------------------+
                              
                              
                              Problem opening ############################################################################## for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening ############################################################################## for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: ############################################################################## ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: ##############################################################################: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening ############################################################################## for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening ############################################################################## for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: ##############################################################################: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (############################################################################## -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: # ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (# -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: # ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (# -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: # ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening # for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: #: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (# -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening An for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening An for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: An ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: An: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening An for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening An for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: An: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (An -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening error for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening error for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: error ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: error: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening error for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening error for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: error: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (error -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening has for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening has for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: has ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: has: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening has for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening has for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: has: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (has -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening been for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening been for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: been ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: been: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening been for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening been for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: been: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (been -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              
                              
                              Problem opening detected! for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening detected! for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                               * Processing Partition: detected! ()
                              
                               * Partition File Missing: /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/d1p.img*
                              error: detected!: No such file or directory
                              Problem opening detected! for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              Problem opening detected! for reading! Error is 2.
                              The specified file does not exist!
                              
                              error: detected!: No such file or directory
                               * Not expanding (detected! -- imager)
                               * Press [Enter] key to continue
                              

                              And on the fog server, this is the contents of the image

                              ls /images/ResizableNVMEUpTest/
                              d1.fixed_size_partitions  d1.minimum.partitions  d1.original.swapuuids  d1.partitions
                              d1.mbr                    d1.original.fstypes    d1p1.img
                              

                              I will try an upload of this image as well as the same with my mps test image and post the results

                              Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                              https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                              https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                              https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                              https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                              • JJ FullmerJ
                                JJ Fullmer Testers
                                last edited by

                                @Tom-Elliott
                                This is the output of the upload from the same debug session

                                # fog.upload
                                   +------------------------------------------+
                                   |     ..#######:.    ..,#,..     .::##::.  |
                                   |.:######          .:;####:......;#;..     |
                                   |...##...        ...##;,;##::::.##...      |
                                   |   ,#          ...##.....##:::##     ..:: |
                                   |   ##    .::###,,##.   . ##.::#.:######::.|
                                   |...##:::###::....#. ..  .#...#. #...#:::. |
                                   |..:####:..    ..##......##::##  ..  #     |
                                   |    #  .      ...##:,;##;:::#: ... ##..   |
                                   |   .#  .       .:;####;::::.##:::;#:..    |
                                   |    #                     ..:;###..       |
                                   |                                          |
                                   +------------------------------------------+
                                   |      Free Computer Imaging Solution      |
                                   +------------------------------------------+
                                   |  Credits: http://fogproject.org/Credits  |
                                   |       http://fogproject.org/Credits      |
                                   |       Released under GPL Version 3       |
                                   +------------------------------------------+
                                   Version: 6048
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Verifying network interface configuration.........Done
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Checking Operating System.........................Windows 8.1
                                 * Checking CPU Cores................................8
                                 * Send method.......................................NFS
                                 * Attempting to check in............................Done
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Mounting File System..............................Done
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Checking Mounted File System......................Done
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Checking img variable is set......................Done
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                 * Preparing to send image file to server
                                 * Preparing backup location.........................Failed
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                ##############################################################################
                                #                                                                            #
                                #                         An error has been detected!                        #
                                #                                                                            #
                                ##############################################################################
                                Failed to create image upload path (prepareUploadLocation)
                                 * Press [Enter] key to continue
                                
                                

                                Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                • JJ FullmerJ
                                  JJ Fullmer Testers
                                  last edited by

                                  Download and Upload of mps are still working perfectly. It’s just resize that is having trouble.
                                  I am going to try a normal sda vm resizable download to see if this is an nvme problem or a fog init code problem

                                  Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                  https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                  https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                  https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                  https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                  • JJ FullmerJ
                                    JJ Fullmer Testers
                                    last edited by

                                    Resizable download is giving the same error on normal sda.
                                    So there is most likely a problem with this version of FOG
                                    Help me obiwan- @Tom-Elliott -nobi, you are my only hope

                                    Have you tried the FogApi powershell module? It's pretty cool IMHO
                                    https://github.com/darksidemilk/FogApi
                                    https://fogapi.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
                                    https://www.powershellgallery.com/packages/FogApi
                                    https://forums.fogproject.org/topic/12026/powershell-api-module

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                                    • Tom ElliottT
                                      Tom Elliott @JJ Fullmer
                                      last edited by

                                      @Arrowhead-IT I found the problem with downloads. I’ll look at the uploads shortly.

                                      I’m rebuilding the init’s and will upload them shortly. I’ll let you know when they’re ready.

                                      Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

                                      Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                                      Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                                      • Tom ElliottT
                                        Tom Elliott @JJ Fullmer
                                        last edited by

                                        @Arrowhead-IT Uploaded and ready for testing whenever you are.

                                        Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

                                        Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                                        Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                                        • Tom ElliottT
                                          Tom Elliott @JJ Fullmer
                                          last edited by

                                          @Arrowhead-IT I believe the upload issue you’re seeing is simply because you’re debug session is in download mode.

                                          Why is this important? Because the directory that get’s mounted varies depending on the type of image.

                                          Seeing as the images directory is already created and most likely mounted for the download mode, this would be an expected failure, I would think.

                                          Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG! Get in contact with me (chat bubble in the top right corner) if you want to join in.

                                          Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                                          Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                                            FlowLive @JJ Fullmer
                                            last edited by FlowLive

                                            @Arrowhead-IT

                                            I don’t want to hijack this thread but I believe I am having the same problem running trunk r6048.

                                            Here’s a screenshot of the errors

                                            link

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