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    ty900000 @george1421
    last edited by May 3, 2017, 2:25 PM

    @george1421

    I am running a multicast image right now and it is super slow, <20MB/sec and declining. With the unicast with 2 computers imaging, I was getting about 6GB/sec each. I did a little Googling around it seems as if our very old, crappy Dell PowerConnect switches are probably causing the issue. I guess they can’t handle the “amount” of multicast traffic - no surprise there…

    We should be getting Cisco switches soon, so I’ll have to test it with those and make sure they are configured to pass multicast traffic properly.

    Thanks!

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      george1421 Moderator @ty900000
      last edited by May 3, 2017, 3:45 PM

      @ty900000 With multicast the speed of the slowest computer sets your maximum transfer rate. I can say that multicasting to 20 computers should just be slightly slower than a single unicast image.

      I would have to question your unit of scale. I could understand 20MB/s and 6GB/min. At 6GB/s you would need faster than a 20GbE network.

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        ty900000 @george1421
        last edited by May 3, 2017, 3:57 PM

        @george1421

        Oh, you’re right! I meant <20MB/min for multicasting two machines and 6GB/min unicasting two machines. My bad!

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          george1421 Moderator @ty900000
          last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:04 PM

          @ty900000 wow that sux on the performance scale.

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            ty900000 @george1421
            last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:05 PM

            @george1421

            Which one sucks? The 20MB/min or the 6GB/min? Or both?

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              Tom Elliott @ty900000
              last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:05 PM

              @ty900000 The 20MB a minute.

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                ty900000 @Tom Elliott
                last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:07 PM

                @Tom-Elliott

                Ah, yeah. It was going to take over 13 hours to blow down a 17GB image. I think it’s the crappy L2 Dell switches can’t handle … much of anything. It’s a constant battle with them.

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                  Tom Elliott @ty900000
                  last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:07 PM

                  @ty900000 Are the switches you have capable to be “managed”.

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                    ty900000 @Tom Elliott
                    last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:09 PM

                    @Tom-Elliott

                    Yeah, they can be managed. But, I can’t do much with them. Their documentation isn’t great and the are seriously lacking commands. I’m a CCNA, so I’m a little more used to Cisco-specific commands that do Cisco-specific things. These old PowerConnects either don’t have an equivalent or just have a very different and more difficult way of doing the same thing.

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                      george1421 Moderator @ty900000
                      last edited by george1421 May 3, 2017, 10:10 AM May 3, 2017, 4:09 PM

                      @ty900000 said in FOG Server CPU Requirements:

                      20MB/min

                      I would expect a single unicast image to deploy about 6GB/m on a typical solid network. 4 to 5GB/m for a multicast.

                      You are multicasting to devices on the same vlan as the fog server?

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                        ty900000 @george1421
                        last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:12 PM

                        @george1421

                        Cool! Yeah, I was hoping to see 4-5 GB/min. We don’t have VLANs. Not yet, at least. The Dell PowerConnect switches are old and we only use them as a L2 switch for now. They can be managed, but they lack a lot of commands and documentation. Cisco Catalysts should be coming next quarter, I hope.

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                          Tom Elliott @ty900000
                          last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:14 PM

                          @ty900000 If they’re used as “dummy” switches, maybe replacing them with simplified dummy switches (with GB if possible) would help improve things?

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                            ty900000 @Tom Elliott
                            last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:19 PM

                            @Tom-Elliott

                            No, they’re not “dummy” switches. They are the whole entire network backbone, sadly. They’re so old when I unplugged one that hadn’t been turned off in years and plugged it back in, it was completely dead.

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                              Junkhacker Developer @george1421
                              last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:27 PM

                              @george1421 said in FOG Server CPU Requirements:

                              I would expect a single unicast image to deploy about 6GB/m on a typical solid network.

                              is a typical network really that slow?

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                                Tom Elliott @Junkhacker
                                last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:33 PM

                                @Junkhacker Your network is fairly special man, yes that’s about average lol.

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                                  george1421 Moderator @Junkhacker
                                  last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:38 PM

                                  @Junkhacker said in FOG Server CPU Requirements:

                                  @george1421 said in FOG Server CPU Requirements:

                                  I would expect a single unicast image to deploy about 6GB/m on a typical solid network.

                                  is a typical network really that slow?

                                  Yes I still have network envy of your setup. But not everyone has all gold and chrome computers either.

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                                    george1421 Moderator @ty900000
                                    last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:42 PM

                                    @ty900000 I there any chance you could setup a “test” network switch to just the fog server and a few test systems to compare the multicast to unicast to. If you are multicasting across your campus you may have other underlying issues that mutlicasting is making worse (like a 100Mb link somewhere). At least using all on switch backbone you could get a better idea of speeds.

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                                      Junkhacker Developer @george1421
                                      last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:43 PM

                                      @george1421 i don’t think my setup is really that special. it’s a gigabit network with dell clients and a used Poweredge R510 we picked up cheap for the server (perc H700 raid controller with a 24 drive array, which is probably why i have the nice speed, tbh)

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                                        Tom Elliott @Junkhacker
                                        last edited by May 3, 2017, 4:44 PM

                                        @Junkhacker It also doesn’t hurt that many of your “receiving” systems have SSD’s lol.

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                                          Junkhacker Developer @Tom Elliott
                                          last edited by Junkhacker May 3, 2017, 10:48 AM May 3, 2017, 4:46 PM

                                          @Tom-Elliott true, forgot about that. we only deploy traditional hard drives in special cases now. we find it’s more effective for us to put in an SSD than a faster processor for our users.

                                          point being, if someone had relatively small image storage requirements they could probably get as fast of results as i do by putting an SSD in their server.

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