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Best version of Ubuntu for FOG 1.2.0

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    need2 Moderator
    last edited by need2 Nov 13, 2015, 4:15 PM Nov 13, 2015, 10:14 PM

    I suggest against installing Linux distros on Generation 2 Hyper-V. Newer Debian family distros technically support it, but I have seen some instability caused by the emulation of EFI hardware. Generation 1 works well still; its only drawbacks are a little more overhead and slightly slower boot times. But since Hyper-V and Linux have never fully integrated together, you shouldn’t see much difference in performance.

    That being said, I’ve had FOG running on Gen1 Hyper-V for quite a long time here (even prior to 1.2.0), and its worked incredibly well. Granted I have dedicated a fair amount of resource on the host machine, and made sure that the other virtual instances running on the host are not disk-intensive.

    Honestly, if you are running a most Microsoft server environment, I would strongly suggest using Hyper-V for your virtualization. It has been the easiest to manage throughout our domain, and most people’s Windows Server licensing already covers the use of at least two Windows Server instances on the host without having to pay for any additional licenses. And Linux system’s won’t use up any licensing at all, because Linux. And then there’s the added benefit that you can scale from a single virtual host to eventually having a clustered group of servers with fail-over and/or load balancing, using identical or mixed hardware. Really I do not understand why more Enterprise users running predominantly Windows environments do not use Hyper-V and instead go with less flexible and more expensive solutions.
    </thread hijack>

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      Wayne Workman @need2
      last edited by Wayne Workman Nov 13, 2015, 4:27 PM Nov 13, 2015, 10:27 PM

      @need2 said:

      And Linux system’s won’t use up any licensing at all, because Linux.

      +1

      Really I do not understand why more Enterprise users running predominantly Windows environments do not use Hyper-V and instead go with less flexible and more expensive solutions.

      I hear you brother.

      In fact, why not just use CentOS 7’s integrated hypervisor? I’ve ran Windows Server 2012 in it before with no issue, and I’ve ran linux inside it too, naturally. Then you have NO licensing, and ALL the power to do whatever you want!

      That said,
      Hyper-V comes with a Windows Server 2008 and higher product key… USE IT!!! You’re life will be easier! Seperate out all of your major “things” so that the failure of one “thing” won’t affect all the other “things” you have!

      I can’t stress how invaluable virtualization is. there is a REASON why a virtualization specialist job pays 80K a year.

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        need2 Moderator
        last edited by Nov 13, 2015, 11:09 PM

        Agreed. Really it just comes down to the IT department at the organization on whether they are more comfortable managing bare metal Windows Server or Linux.

        And wow… 80K a year… guess I better do some more training.

        For reals this time though, I’m done hijacking the thread.

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          msimpson
          last edited by msimpson Nov 14, 2015, 1:16 PM Nov 14, 2015, 2:32 PM

          I work at a VMware shop with a 3 host cluster with shared storage, I’m not allowed to use the SAN for image storage. Which is why I grabbed a Dell Optiplex PC off of the shelf and planned to use that. I don’t even think my boss would allow me to setup Hyper-V in our environment.

          We do not plan to image many PC’s at once, maybe 2-3 at most. Speed isn’t much of a concern either, I just have a 500GB 7200rpm SATA drive in the Dell currently. I just need to get this setup and running so we can have a standard method of imaging PCs/POS terminals.

          I am definitely more comfortable with Windows which is why I was tossing around the idea of just installing Win7 Pro x64, installing Virtualbox, and then create the VM for FOG on that to take snapshots, easier to backup the vmkd file containing images and the FOG install.

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            msimpson @need2
            last edited by Nov 14, 2015, 6:09 PM

            @need2 I do agree with you though, Hyper-V 2012R2 has come a long way. For any new environment, if it were up to me, would be Hyper-V. We went with VMware in about 2009 a year after I started at my job. Recently upgraded the hosts to 5.5, pretty stable.

            I will just experiment and see what works the best, I’ll try virtualized in a type 2 hypervisor since I started to set it up last night. Got our standard win7 image on the Dell PC, will finish installing Virtualbox and creating the FOG VM.

            If performance really sucks, I’ll install on bare metal. I will also look at CentOS as well, it will have to be GUI though. Not only for myself, but for my coworkers as well. No one has much experience with Linux.

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              msimpson
              last edited by Nov 14, 2015, 7:19 PM

              Sorry, thoughts are all over the place. Need to get some sleep, I will work on it some more tonight hopefully.

              We have multiple VLANs too… so it will work on our main VLAN for now until I can figure out the VLAN thing. We use Cisco switches… That is for future though, I just want to get it up and going on our main VLAN for now. Proof of concept type of deal I guess. I believe everyone will love it when it comes time to build/rebuild a PC.

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                Wayne Workman @msimpson
                last edited by Wayne Workman Nov 14, 2015, 5:25 PM Nov 14, 2015, 10:16 PM

                @msimpson said:

                I am definitely more comfortable with Windows which is why I was tossing around the idea of just installing Win7 Pro x64, installing Virtualbox, and then create the VM for FOG on that to take snapshots

                CentOS 7 Hypervisor supports snapshots, it works, I’ve used it for FOG and for Server 2012.

                If performance really sucks, I’ll install on bare metal.

                SAS 12gig can easily keep up, Sata 6gig can’t really… There’s not a comparison really between server and consumer hardware. However FOG will work, it’ll just be really slow. I virtualized FOG in CentOS 7 hypervisor using an Optiplex 9020, when I imaged with it the HDD light was just solid lit and the speeds were not that great in comparison to FOG running in Hyper-V with SAS 12 gig drives, but the speeds probably was great given the setup and hardware.

                I will also look at CentOS as well, it will have to be GUI though.

                People at my work ask why I choose to not install with a GUI. I ask them to find FOG documentation that uses a GUI on the backend… there isn’t. The installer is CLI, all of our documentation for troubleshooting is CLI, the management of services documentation is CLI, adding drives and moving images around is all documented in CLI. And any help you get on the forums for back-end and troubleshooting will be commands you run in the CLI. Why? Because it’s too hard to create documentation for 10 different GUI versions. CLI provides more consistency across the flavors of Linux - and consistency is a good thing.

                If you choose to install a GUI, you will find yourself clicking a user name, logging in, and then you will find yourself opening the terminal.

                But I won’t knock anyone for this, if it makes you feel better and adopt Linux faster, then awesome.

                I might also add that many of the GUIs for Linux sorta suck and are really limited in what they can do (in comparison to what CLI can do, i.e. everything).

                I believe everyone will love it when it comes time to build/rebuild a PC.

                Everyone always does.

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                  msimpson @Wayne Workman
                  last edited by Nov 15, 2015, 3:38 AM

                  @Wayne-Workman you win lol, I’ll follow documentation and just do CLI 🙂 because you are right, every time I’ve installed FOG I went straight to a terminal

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                    Juan Antonio @Tom Elliott
                    last edited by Juan Antonio Nov 18, 2015, 4:55 PM Nov 18, 2015, 10:50 PM

                    @Tom-Elliott; I made several tests with different machines with the same result, the hard drive mounting failure to try clone new computer , only with XP (VISTA never use it). Anyway I check it again and share the results.

                    I’m using the FOG version 1.2.0 (latest version) on Ubuntu Server 10.04 and for teams XP’s The FOG version 0.32 on Ubuntu Desktop 8.04; for the error caused.

                    I must explain that we still use XP on older machines, used to introduction to the informatic to children 3-6 old years.
                    Let us replacing gradually, We are without money. 😞

                    Sorry; I do not understand this comment “” that turn Makes dinosaurs in the soil before lol “”

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                      Wayne Workman @Juan Antonio
                      last edited by Nov 18, 2015, 10:58 PM

                      @Juan-Antonio said:

                      Sorry; I do not understand this comment “” that turn Makes dinosaurs in the soil before lol “”

                      He was lightheartedly making fun of XP being in use.

                      Are you willing to try this with FOG Trunk in a test environment?

                      Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG!
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                        Juan Antonio @Wayne Workman
                        last edited by Juan Antonio Nov 18, 2015, 5:26 PM Nov 18, 2015, 11:13 PM

                        @Wayne-Workman Thank you.
                        I did not master very well their language, hence the question, as for your question, I have already tested in a real environment with several XP machines the cloning and the result is the same, and that was the reason to return to the FOG 0.32 version for computers with XP.

                        what is the meaning “lol”??

                        lol=JAJAJAJAJA!!! ok entendido ciao

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                          Wayne Workman @Juan Antonio
                          last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 12:35 AM

                          @Juan-Antonio Have you ever seen these icons in any FOG build you’ve tried? This is what FOG Trunk looks like. It is the developmental version of fog. 1.2.0 is not fog trunk, 1.2.0 is (currently) the last stable release of fog.

                          0_1447893259019_upload-5ffd3b87-c7d4-4268-8036-bbe6b61ad668

                          Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG!
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                            Tom Elliott @Wayne Workman
                            last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 12:51 AM

                            @Wayne-Workman I guess it was about XP, but mostly the Versions of Ubuntu! JAJAJAJAJA (lol)

                            @Juan-Antonio, now that you know what lol “means”, now just look at the letters, and just think of it like this:

                            http://i.imgur.com/9fWen05.png

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                            Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

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                              dureal99d @Wayne Workman
                              last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 1:09 AM

                              @Wayne-Workman said:

                              @Juan-Antonio Have you ever seen these icons in any FOG build you’ve tried? This is what FOG Trunk looks like. It is the developmental version of fog. 1.2.0 is not fog trunk, 1.2.0 is (currently) the last stable release of fog.

                              0_1447893259019_upload-5ffd3b87-c7d4-4268-8036-bbe6b61ad668

                              I must concur ver1.2.0 trunk 5417 is holding well for me with everything ive tried so far working properly

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                                Wayne Workman @Tom Elliott
                                last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 3:00 AM

                                @Tom-Elliott Yeah I just saw that… 7? lol

                                At work - our HVAC system for the entire school district runs on Fedora core 2… That’s 23 very large buildings spread across two large municipalities… fedora 2… lol

                                Oh and, how about this?
                                http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a16010/30-year-old-computer-runs-school-heat/
                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLERL4_SveI

                                Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG!
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                                  Juan Antonio @Tom Elliott
                                  last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 7:30 AM

                                  @Tom-Elliott said:

                                  @Wayne-Workman I guess it was about XP, but mostly the Versions of Ubuntu! JAJAJAJAJA (lol)

                                  @Juan-Antonio, now that you know what lol “means”, now just look at the letters, and just think of it like this:

                                  http://i.imgur.com/9fWen05.png

                                  Sincerely sorry, I guess it’s joke, but do not understand.
                                  I try to pay more attention.

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                                    Juan Antonio @Wayne Workman
                                    last edited by Juan Antonio Nov 19, 2015, 2:08 AM Nov 19, 2015, 7:53 AM

                                    @Wayne-Workman said:

                                    @Juan-Antonio Have you ever seen these icons in any FOG build you’ve tried? This is what FOG Trunk looks like. It is the developmental version of fog. 1.2.0 is not fog trunk, 1.2.0 is (currently) the last stable release of fog.

                                    0_1447893259019_upload-5ffd3b87-c7d4-4268-8036-bbe6b61ad668

                                    0_1447919495920_sshot-9.png

                                    That’s the version I have installed FOG

                                    0_1447920451034_sshot-10.png

                                    This is the error

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                                      KKTwenty101 @Wayne Workman
                                      last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 2:37 PM

                                      @Wayne-Workman
                                      /thread hijack /offtopic /sorry.

                                      Don’t forget that if you ARE running windows at all then hyper-v is (for less than 20 guest servers assuming a 2 host cluster) a better option, you get TWO virtual licenses for each server license purchased. thus a “free” host per hyper-v instance. If you were to license 10 virtual MS server guests on 2 hosts using centos as a clustered host then you would need to purchase 20 server licences (and you cant use enterprise licences as you aren’t licensing the host in this case). If you were using a pair of server 2012R2 hosts and had 10 server guests then you only need to purchase 10 licences as each license is worth 2 thus each host has 5 licenses each thus 10 total clustered servers.

                                      And FWIW it is an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE to license desktop windows in a virtual environment - long story short don’t do it. Normal licenses do NOT cover W7 being installed in a virtual environment you need specialist licences (VDA). Seems mad? Yes it is.

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                                        Wayne Workman @Juan Antonio
                                        last edited by Nov 19, 2015, 2:45 PM

                                        @Juan-Antonio as Tom said earlier, the problem with Windows XP is fixed in FOG Trunk. Can you try to upgrade? https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Upgrade_to_trunk

                                        Please help us build the FOG community with everyone involved. It's not just about coding - way more we need people to test things, update documentation and most importantly work on uniting the community of people enjoying and working on FOG!
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                                          Juan Antonio @Wayne Workman
                                          last edited by Nov 20, 2015, 7:50 AM

                                          @Wayne-WorkmanIt It is true. I did not pay much attention because he was joking, however many thank you very much and thank to Tom. 🙂 :). I will try to fix it.

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