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Windows 8.1 "Dirty Bit" in UEFI

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    Wayne Workman
    last edited by Oct 7, 2015, 8:30 PM

    My FOG Cloud says 4848, I’m on Fedora 21 Server.

    I’m booting an Optiplex 9020 with the “Legacy Option ROMs” enabled. The system is otherwise set to UEFI and is installed on the hdd with GPT and Windows 8.1

    I’m getting this error:
    Partclone_Windows_Dirty_Bit.jpg

    The other partitions upload fine.
    I’ve done some searching, and I am fairly sure this is due to the “dirty bit” being set on that partition. It’s because currently Windows “Fast Startup” is enabled, which basically sets the dirty bit permanently.

    When I disable this and after a few reboots, and after deleting the hibernation file, the image uploads normally. I’ve documented the things I’ve found helpful here: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_8_UEFI_Imaging_Tips

    I’m wondering if anything can be done to make this process more seamless for 1.3.0 ?

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      Wayne Workman
      last edited by Wayne Workman Oct 8, 2015, 11:30 AM Oct 8, 2015, 5:29 PM

      I just further updated this article: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Windows_8_UEFI_Imaging_Tips

      Confirmed beyond doubt that Fast Startup and Hibernation is what causes this error (what sets the dirty bit to ON)

      After clearing those, there is a command in the article that must be run from an elevated command prompt.

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        Tom Elliott @Wayne Workman
        last edited by Oct 8, 2015, 7:25 PM

        @Wayne-Workman I’m not 100% sure how fog could do this.

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        Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

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          Wayne Workman @Tom Elliott
          last edited by Oct 8, 2015, 7:26 PM

          @Tom-Elliott said:

          @Wayne-Workman I’m not 100% sure how fog could do this.

          Perhaps a pre-upload task via the new client…

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            Tom Elliott
            last edited by Oct 8, 2015, 7:34 PM

            Maybe but ask @jbob at how easy it is to deal with permission raising. While forcing a chkdsk could be easy, turning fast boot off is not as that’s in the bios screen.

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              Wayne Workman @Tom Elliott
              last edited by Wayne Workman Oct 8, 2015, 2:08 PM Oct 8, 2015, 8:06 PM

              @Tom-Elliott said:

              turning fast boot off is not as that’s in the bios screen.

              Tom, I think you’re mistaking fast startup for something else. see in this picture:
              Disable-fast-startup-in-windows-8.1.jpg

              With that enabled, and when a user clicks “Shutdown” - the computer will say it’s shutting down, but really it’s hibernating. And then when it’s “booting”, it’s actually resuming. And it sets the dirty bit to ON.

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                sudburr @Wayne Workman
                last edited by Oct 9, 2015, 12:46 AM

                @Wayne-Workman said:

                Tom, I think you’re mistaking fast startup for something else. see in this picture:

                I have seen this as a BIOS setting as well in Dells, Lenovo or Toshiba. Sorry I can’t be specific. It MUST be turned off or hair is pulled.

                [ Standing in between extinction in the cold and explosive radiating growth ]

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                  Wayne Workman @sudburr
                  last edited by Oct 9, 2015, 12:48 AM

                  @sudburr said:

                  @Wayne-Workman said:

                  Tom, I think you’re mistaking fast startup for something else. see in this picture:

                  I have seen this as a BIOS setting as well in Dells, Lenovo or Toshiba. Sorry I can’t be specific. It MUST be turned off or hair is pulled.

                  You must be referring to Fast Post (power on self test)? It’s sometimes called fast startup in PC firmware.

                  Or are you referring to something else?

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                    sudburr
                    last edited by Oct 9, 2015, 12:51 AM

                    No. It’s a power saving function… wait a minute. It’s bubbling up from the nether world.

                    Deep Sleep.

                    No wait. Though that is a bad thing to have enabled.

                    Now I remember. Okay, smack me up the side of the head with a dead marmot. It’s a Toshiba OEM piece of software for SSD based systems.

                    I need more caffeine… or I should go to bed early.

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                      ch3i Moderator
                      last edited by Oct 9, 2015, 12:42 PM

                      Have you try in debug mode a ntfsfix /dev/your_windows_partition ? It’s an idea, not sure that’s solve the problem…

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                        Wayne Workman @ch3i
                        last edited by Oct 9, 2015, 12:44 PM

                        @ch3i said:

                        Have you try in debug mode a ntfsfix /dev/your_windows_partition ? It’s an idea, not sure that’s solve the problem…

                        I’ll reproduce the problem and try this.

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                          ch3i Moderator @Wayne Workman
                          last edited by Oct 15, 2015, 8:41 AM

                          @Wayne-Workman Hi, did you have time to test ?

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                            Wayne Workman @ch3i
                            last edited by Oct 15, 2015, 12:28 PM

                            @ch3i Not yet, thank you for reminding me. I’ll try to do it today. I actually need to.

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                              MRLINUX @Wayne Workman
                              last edited by Oct 16, 2015, 7:50 PM

                              @Wayne-Workman
                              Thank you for the Article.
                              A few months ago we bought dell laptops and I was using WDS for deployment and it worked perfect with HP and Win7 computers.
                              When I deployed win8.1 to these DELL machines I had to stop using WDS 2012 R2.(endless errors) Deleted WDS COMPLETELY OFF the network.
                              Since then IM leveraging Open source technology on levels of DEVOPS.
                              My point is now I have an answer for my UEFI deployment issues. Thank you once again 🙂 🙂

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                                ch3i Moderator @Wayne Workman
                                last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 6:48 AM

                                @Wayne-Workman said:

                                @ch3i Not yet, thank you for reminding me. I’ll try to do it today. I actually need to.

                                Hi @Wayne-Workman, I’ve tested it on a Windows 8.1 with “Fast Startup”, it’s functional. Could-you test it to confirm my result ? If it’s OK, it would be interesting to add it to FOG upload process.

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                                  Wayne Workman @ch3i
                                  last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 1:18 PM

                                  @ch3i Trying it now.

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                                    Wayne Workman @ch3i
                                    last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 1:25 PM

                                    @ch3i Is it just me, or does the “Fast Startup” checkbox vanish after it’s disabled for others too?

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                                      Wayne Workman @Wayne Workman
                                      last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 1:33 PM

                                      @Wayne-Workman said:

                                      @ch3i Is it just me, or does the “Fast Startup” checkbox vanish after it’s disabled for others too?

                                      So, you must run powercfg.exe -H on for the “Fast Startup” option to even show up.

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                                        Wayne Workman
                                        last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 2:00 PM

                                        This is with Fast Startup and Hibernation turned on.

                                        IMG_20151019_085735.jpg

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                                          ch3i Moderator @Wayne Workman
                                          last edited by Oct 19, 2015, 2:38 PM

                                          @Wayne-Workman said:

                                          This is with Fast Startup and Hibernation turned on.

                                          IMG_20151019_085735.jpg

                                          I’ll try that : ntfs-3g -o remove_hiberfile /dev/sdaX /tmp/mount_point to remove the hibernate file.

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