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    • george1421G
      george1421 Moderator
      last edited by

      Updated benchmarks. FOG Server 1.5.9 w/kernel 4.19.145(guess) running on Dell o7010. Target computer Dell o7010 both server and target have ssd sata drives. All copy tests use a 10GB file.

      Make 10GB file on target computer to FOG hard drive over NFS

      # time dd if=/dev/zero of=r10-1gb.img count=1024 bs=104857601024+0 records in
1024+0 records out
10737418240 bytes (11 GB, 10 GiB) copied, 93.0698 s, 115 MB/s
real    1m33.072s
user    0m0.013s
sys     0m4.699s

      Copy file using scp to FOG server x3 includes entering root password on FOG server

      # time scp /mnt/t2/r10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/r11gb.img
The authenticity of host '192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1)' can't be established.
ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:OpIsFYWVDCr/ovMlmPPSl46jpT332P3+BHnchdxzTCI.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.10.1' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
root@192.168.10.1's password:
r10gb.img                                                    100%   10GB 111.1MB/s   01:32
real    1m43.380s
user    0m44.117s
sys     0m12.580s

# time scp /mnt/t2/r10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/r11gb.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
r10gb.img                                                    100%   10GB 111.1MB/s   01:32
real    1m35.493s
user    0m44.476s
sys     0m12.223s

# time scp /mnt/t2/r10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/r11gb.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
r10gb.img                                                    100%   10GB 111.1MB/s   01:32
real    1m35.447s
user    0m44.404s
sys     0m11.946s

      Timing using piping over ssh instead of scp

      # time cat /mnt/t2/r10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/r12gb.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:
real    1m36.133s
user    0m43.906s
sys     0m11.090s

# time cat /mnt/t2/r10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/r12gb.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:
real    1m36.794s
user    0m43.751s
sys     0m12.099s

      While the cpu load is heavier on both the target computer and the FOG server using ssh the actual copy times almost identical between nfs, scp, and ssh. Just the CPU load increased when sshd was involved.

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      • Tom ElliottT
        Tom Elliott @george1421
        last edited by

        @george1421 Would it be better to use SCP or RSYNC?

        Can you run an example using RSYNC to establish the “SSH” connection and transfer to see what the FOG Server and Client load looks like?

        I think you’ll see the same types of speeds. I think part of the issue with the cat pipe cat “load” is due mostly to the 2 processes being opened plus the addition of the SSH establishment.

        If we are just looking to test ssh, scp is the best tool for the job, though rsync will probably give us more configuration options.

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        Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

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        • george1421G
          george1421 Moderator
          last edited by george1421

          Interesting, I repeated the same test with the 5.6.18 kernel and got faster transfer times.

          Kernel 5.6.18
          Straight file copy over NFS

          # time cp r10gb.img /mnt/t2/                                
real    0m46.336s
user    0m0.052s
sys     0m7.169s

# time cp r10gb.img /mnt/t2/
real    0m48.108s
user    0m0.045s
sys     0m8.881s

          Now scp

          # time scp /mnt/t2/r10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/r11gb.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
r10gb.img                                                    100% 6875MB 111.1MB/s   01:01
real    1m5.796s
user    0m29.704s
sys     0m6.750s

          Now piped over ssh

          # time cat /mnt/t2/r10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/r12gb.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:
real    1m5.241s
user    0m29.134s
sys     0m6.849s

# I had to repeat it a second time just to confirm it was actually 30 
#seconds improvement
#
# time cat /mnt/t2/r10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/r12gb.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:

real    1m6.662s
user    0m29.833s
sys     0m6.966s

          So for a straight nfs copy kerne 5.6.18 is about 45 seconds faster copying the file. For the ssh route it was about 30 seconds faster with 5.6.18 over 4.19.145

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          • george1421G
            george1421 Moderator @Tom Elliott
            last edited by george1421

            @Tom-Elliott said in Feature request for FOG 1.6.x - Replace NFSv3:

            Would it be better to use SCP or RSYNC?

            I don’t know the answer at the moment but I can/will surely test it. I have some screen shots of CPU loading while doing these transfers with 5.6.18 kernel. I setup rsyncd on one of my servers and I’m using it to evacuate a second physical server of data. It seems pretty fast moving 3.5GB image files. Just for disclosure this is on a 10GbE network

            3,515,218,762,752  20%  176.05MB/s    5:17:22 (xfr#70, to-chk=213/284)

            If ssh/encryption route is decided I want to look into the kernel to ensure it has all of the crypto APIs enabled and if enabled do they have an impact on transport times.

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            • S
              Sebastian Roth Moderator
              last edited by

              @george1421 said in Feature request for FOG 1.6.x - Replace NFSv3:

              root@192.168.10.1's password:
r10gb.img                                                    100% 6875MB 111.1MB/s   01:01
real    1m5.796s

              I assume something went wrong with the test file here. You seem to get faster copy because the file is smaller - 6875 MB vs. 10 GB in the last tests. Transfer rate in scp was and is around 111 MB/s!

              Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

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                Sebastian Roth Moderator
                last edited by

                @Tom-Elliott said in Feature request for FOG 1.6.x - Replace NFSv3:

                Would it be better to use SCP or RSYNC?

                In essence we need something that is able to pipe contents of a single file to partclone for writing to disk or the other way round. I don’t see how rsync (used for many files) or scp would help us to do this. While you can actually scp into/from stdin/out I can’t see this being much of a gain compared to using sshfs where we mount the remote filesystem directly.

                Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                • george1421G
                  george1421 Moderator
                  last edited by george1421

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                    Sebastian Roth Moderator
                    last edited by Sebastian Roth

                    @george1421 said in Feature request for FOG 1.6.x - Replace NFSv3:

                    Their testing shows that ubuntu 20.04 moves data the fastes, then 18.04, Centos 8 and finally Cento 7 is the slowest.

                    What protocol are they using? Some proprietary stuff I’d imagine. That would break it down to subsystem IO being faster on newer kernals and Ubuntu leveraging some kind of optimized IO?!

                    FOG Server ssh pipeline

                    That picture shows both a scp and ssh command. So either one is spawned from the other (kind of likely when I look at the many command line options and PIDs) or you can two commands in parallel. The headline “ssh pipeline” doesn’t fit I would think.

                    Web GUI issue? Please check apache error (debian/ubuntu: /var/log/apache2/error.log, centos/fedora/rhel: /var/log/httpd/error_log) and php-fpm log (/var/log/php*-fpm.log)

                    Please support FOG if you like it: https://wiki.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php/Support_FOG

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                    • george1421G
                      george1421 Moderator @Sebastian Roth
                      last edited by

                      @Sebastian-Roth I’m going to redo those stats this morning and delete the first ones. I do this I botched getting pictures aligned with the test. I’ll fully document the testing protocol so it can be duplicated if we need verification.

                      Transfer rate in scp was and is around 111 MB/s!

                      Understand both the fog server and target computer are on an isolated network with their main task is being file transfer and not servicing 100s of client computers with the fog client installed. The 111MB/s tells me the scp speed is being bottle-necked by the network (1GbE ~= 125MB/s theoretical max). I’ll test local and remote write speeds on each system this morning.

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                      • george1421G
                        george1421 Moderator
                        last edited by george1421

                        Testing systems Dell o7010 both fog server and client computer. Both systems have local ssd sata drives. The target computer is running a customized linux kernel 5.6.18 and a customized init but both as based on FOG 1.5.9. The customization was done to aid in debugging and bench-marking the systems.

                        Testing script

                        mkdir /mnt/locdsk
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/locdsk
mkdir /images
mount -o nolock,proto=tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,intr,noatime "192.168.10.1:/images/dev" /images 

#Test 1 creation of local and remote file by target computer
time dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img count=1024 bs=10485760
time dd if=/dev/zero of=/images/R10gb.img count=1024 bs=10485760

#Test 2 cp files to and from server
time cp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img /images
time cp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img /images/L10gb-1.img

time cp /images/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk
time cp /images/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-1.img

#Test 3 scp files to and from server
time scp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/L10gb-2.img
time scp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/L10gb-3.img

time scp root@192.168.10.1:/images/dev/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-2.img
time scp root@192.168.10.1:/images/dev/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-3.img

#Test 4 ssh pipeline to and from server
time cat /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/L10gb-4.img"
time cat /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/L10gb-5.img"

time ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat /images/dev/R10gb.img" | cat > /mnt/locdsk/L10gb-6.img
time ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat /images/dev/R10gb.img" | cat > /mnt/locdsk/L10gb-7.img

                        Testing results as captured.

                        ## Building the test files both local and remote
# time dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img count=1024 bs=10485760
10737418240 bytes (11 GB, 10 GiB) copied, 20.2216 s, 531 MB/s
**real    0m20.223s	user    0m0.001s	sys     0m6.460s

# time dd if=/dev/zero of=/images/R10gb.img count=1024 bs=10485760
10737418240 bytes (11 GB, 10 GiB) copied, 93.3867 s, 115 MB/s
**real    1m33.390s	user    0m0.003s	sys     0m5.369s

## Confirm that files exist and are properly sized
# ls -la /mnt/locdsk/
total 10485785
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root        4096 Oct  9 08:25 .
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root        1024 Oct  9 08:23 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10737418240 Oct  9 08:26 L10gb.img
drwx------ 2 root root       16384 Jan 10  2013 lost+found

# ls -la /images/
total 10519109
drwxrwxrwx  3 sshd root          63 Oct  9  2020 .
drwxr-xr-x 19 root root        1024 Oct  9 08:23 ..
-rwxrwxrwx  1 sshd root           0 Sep 28 13:36 .mntcheck
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 10737418240 Oct  9  2020 R10gb.img
drwxrwxrwx  2 sshd root          26 Sep 28 13:36 postinitscripts

                        ### Copy Local to Remote ###
# time cp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img /images
** real    1m34.821s	user    0m0.083s	sys     0m7.314s

# time cp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img /images/L10gb-1.img
**real    1m34.759s	user    0m0.046s	sys     0m6.801s

                        cp_local_remote_client.png
                        cp_local_remote_server.png

                        ### Copy Remote to Local ###
# time cp /images/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk
**real    1m41.710s	user    0m0.084s	sys     0m11.327s

# time cp /images/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-1.img
**real    1m41.520s	user    0m0.095s	sys     0m11.392s

                        cp_remote_local_client.png
                        cp_remote_local_server.png

                        ### SCP Local to Remote ###
# time scp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/L10gb-2.img
The authenticity of host '192.168.10.1 (192.168.10.1)' can't be established.
ECDSA key fingerprint is SHA256:OpIsFYWVDCr/ovMlmPPSl46jpT332P3+BHnchdxzTCI.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])? yes
Warning: Permanently added '192.168.10.1' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts.
root@192.168.10.1's password:
L10gb.img                                                      100%   10GB 110.0MB/s   01:33
**real    1m40.007s	user    0m44.460s	sys     0m13.378s

# time scp /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img root@192.168.10.1:/images/L10gb-3.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
L10gb.img                                                      100%   10GB 109.5MB/s   01:33
**real    1m37.404s	user    0m44.420s	sys     0m13.068s

                        scp_local_remote_client.png
                        scp_local_remote_server.png

                        ### SCP Remote to Local ###
# time scp root@192.168.10.1:/images/dev/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-2.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
R10gb.img                                                      100%   10GB 101.9MB/s   01:40
**real    1m44.166s	user    0m43.986s	sys     0m22.887s

# time scp root@192.168.10.1:/images/dev/R10gb.img /mnt/locdsk/R10gb-3.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
R10gb.img                                                      100%   10GB 102.0MB/s   01:40
**real    1m44.620s	user    0m43.437s	sys     0m23.061s

                        scp_remote_local_client.png
                        scp_remote_local_server.png

                        ### SSH Pipeline Local to Remote ###
# time cat /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/L10gb-4.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:
**real    1m35.562s	user    0m42.701s	sys     0m12.975s

# time cat /mnt/locdsk/L10gb.img | ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat > /images/L10gb-5.img"
root@192.168.10.1's password:
**real    1m35.749s	user    0m43.478s	sys     0m11.166s

                        ssh_local_remote_client.png
                        ssh_local_remote_server.png

                        ### SSH Pipeline Remote to Local ###
# time ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat /images/dev/R10gb.img" | cat > /mnt/locdsk/L10gb-6.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
**real    1m43.745s	user    0m44.738s	sys     0m20.828s

# time ssh root@192.168.10.1 "cat /images/dev/R10gb.img" | cat > /mnt/locdsk/L10gb-7.img
root@192.168.10.1's password:
**real    1m43.564s	user    0m43.976s	sys     0m21.966s

                        ssh_remote_local_client.png
                        ssh_remote_local_server.png

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