This is how I've deployed Windows 8.1 with Fog 0.32



  • This is how I’ve deployed win8.1 with Fog 0.32

    Fresh Install 8.1
    Install .Net 3.5
    Install Remote Server Administration Tools for 8.1 to fix domain joining if you need to.
    Windows8.1-KB2693643-x64 for 64bit
    Windows8.1-KB2693643-x86 for 32bit
    Run command line

    start /w pkgmgr /iu:RemoteServerAdministrationTools-Roles-AD-DS-SnapIns;RemoteServerAdministrationTools-Roles-AD-DS;RemoteServerAdministrationTools-Roles-AD;RemoteServerAdministrationTools-Roles;RemoteServerAdministrationTools
    

    Install Fog Service/Software
    Install what you want on your image.
    Sysprep (I use the same unattend.xml I use for my Win 7 machines.)
    Create New “Single Partition (NTFS Only, Resizable)” in Fog Image Management
    Use Windows 7 as Host OS
    Upload Image
    Deploy Image
    If You get a winload.exe failure. Boot off a 8.1 disk/usb and repair.
    Sysprep again
    Upload Again

    Now it will deploy correctly and join the domain (if set to do so.)

    Oh, If you don’t like the standard 8.1 then download and install Start Menu 8 (Freeware). Set it to look like Win 7 and put it in the Common Startup folder. I did this for my Win8.1 deployment so it will look like Win 7 for all users.

    Hope that helps folks that are trying this.

    Mike


  • Senior Developer

    FOG and Windows 8/8.1 can work with the UEFI default of 4 partitions (Partition 1 usually being the Protective MBR, Partition 2 being the Recovery, Partition 3 being whatever it is microsoft decided it to be, and Partition 4 being the main data partition) This is what is typical of a default Windows 8/8.1 install with UEFI enabled. Yes, the file system is also structured in GPT which also should work fine. Under the Default Windows 8/8.1 setup, with UEFI enabled, the only requirement before an imaging task occurs is to disable Secure boot, and re-enable it once the imaging task is complete.

    Maybe you could try the latest and greatest in SVN to see if it may help you with the default partitioning scheme done by the Lenovo installation disks? I’ve try to make as dynamic as possible and rely purely on the disk layout scheme over specifically telling the HDD where and what partitions to place.



  • I wiped it clean again, and used a generic Windows 8.1 disk, didn’t use the restored disks.

    Loaded the OS, it only had two partitions, just like Windows 7.

    Uploaded, set the test image to multiple partitoin image single disk, partclone.

    Wiped it clean again.

    Did a download, it worked!?

    So, the issue is what ever Lenovo is doing to the partitions, during the restore, will not work with FOG.

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  • I wiped clean again, but this time I used diskpart, and remove the recovery partitions.

    Then I rebooted the system, it came up just fine.

    So, I uploaded as multiple partition single disk, PartClone.

    Wipe again, and down loaded, it gave me the blinking cursor, no big deal, just ran Windows 8 repair.

    It could not fix it, no big deal, I’ll just do a recovery on it. Still had the blinking cursor, no big deal ran MBR fixer, WTF.

    Now it says no operating system. Boot up with WindowsPE, all of the files are there, no big deal.

    Boot to Windows 8 and did PC refresh, yes move the partitions, WTF, it still says no operating system.

    I’m going to reload again, us diskpart, remove the recovery partition, upload as RAW image, them download again. :-(

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  • Senior Developer

    It seems like it is to me.

    What is weird (and maybe you can explain it) is the Windows8 file sitting there.

    The d1p# files look great, although things don’t work, but were/what is this Windows8 file?



  • @Tom Elliott, post: 40201, member: 7271 said:

    I fail to understand how you “tried” all of the above and:

    Yet you end yup with 6 partitions on your disks.

    And you’re IT Support? So you say, nah I won’t follow any of the actual instructions that are presented, but I’ll do my OWN thing. Then I’ll complain that My OWN thing isn’t working?

    I’m done answering your questions. Sorry it has to be like this, but after reviewing of the information it appears that you lack the ability to follow simple instruction and just feel things should work the way you want them to because you want them to work that way. You’ll blame your problems as a “limitation of FOG” which seems rather selfish in the firstplace because you obviously have no understanding of what fog actually is.

    I just wiped a Lenovo 10Ay, to see if I get the same thing, I did. I uploaded it to a Test image. So, I’m showing you what I see in FOG, and what I see when it does the download.

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    As you can see there are six partitions, but what is weird in Windows disk management, it only shows five.
    This looks like it is using mbr, but if I’m wrong, correct me.

    I used a different set up disk, got the same result.

    Is this limited to Lenovo?


  • Senior Developer

    What I’m confused about,

    How are there 6 partitions being created on a disk?

    Are you 100% sure this disk is being setup in MBR [B]AND[/B] using extended/logical partitions over GPT? I ask because the “limitation” that I reference in the other thread is specific to Resizable images. It should not have any impact on Multipart Single/All disk setup, and as you already know, does not have any impact on RAW.

    I’m not trying to Insult you or state that you insulted me. However, as we keep trying to get and give information, it feels like you’re just looking for the quick answer. Because of this, it feels to me like you’re just doing whatever willy nilly and then coming back saying it’s not working. If you actually read the information, it should give what I like the call the “aha” or “epiphany” moment. Installing the system from scratch is the best bet, but obviously if your system disks are adding these extra things that we (assume) are causing most of the problems right, then maybe look into using a different disk.

    Are these systems you’re working with enterprise or consumer grade? If so, can lenovo provide you with an enterprise style install disc as this should remove all the “bloatware” and allow you to default install your windows systems. I haven’t played too much on installing windows 8/8.1 and even less with installing it on and MBR setup. The first thing that pops into my mind is GPT though. Mostly because I’ve been working and helping people for over a year here on the forums.

    There is little you can do to insult me. Do I get frustrated, sure, I am human. When I read things and things really start to fail to add up, I will let you know. I’m not throwing my hands up, I just don’t know how to help out any further. If you’re following all the instructions, then you should be able to use Multipart imaging. If you upgrade to 1.2.0, which Junkhacker was trying to request you to do (he’s a developer too) You would also be able to, when things are correctly setup, operate with Windows 8 and resizeable images.

    Sure, you had the issues with Windows 7. That’s probably a similar issue to my thoughts on what’s happening with your Windows 8 systems, but you keep throwing excuses rather than attempting things being suggested. Why should we continue to help?



  • NO, I quoting you from another forum, and it was not insult, it was a question.

    Let me try again. The Lenovo’s, when using their systems disks, creates six partitions, is this why that RAW image format only works.

    What can I do to get around the six partitions?

    Do you think that the debug is going to work? I’m getting ready to try the process, with the instructions you gave me.

    Thank you for you help.


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    @Thomas Rucker, post: 40202, member: 1970 said:

    I’ve been an LAN Administrator for 15 years, started using FOG four years ago, and have pushed it to other offices, and applauded FOG over Ghost.

    What a LAN Administrator don’t understand in Tom instruction ?

    @Tom Elliott said:

    SO when you get to debug, you run fixparts /dev/sda on the command line presented


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    @Tom Elliott, post: 40201, member: 7271 said:

    You’ll blame your problems as a “limitation of FOG” which seems rather selfish in the firstplace because you obviously have no understanding of what fog actually is.

    :oops: Love you :)



  • WOW
    What’s wrong with you.
    Fist, when I reload the Lenovo’s with the system disks that come with it, it creates these partitions!
    Second, when I found in a forum, and you stated that FOG doesn’t like more that three partitions, I queried you on that detail.
    Third, I’m not doing things the way I want to, I’m using the tools that are given to me by Lenovo.
    Fourth, have you worked with any Lenovo’s ? Have you wiped one clean, and reload it using it’s systems disk, there is four on them.
    Fifth, I trying to keep and open dialog with you, to work through this, didn’t expect you to throw your hands in the air, then start insulting me.

    If you and others state your here to help, what’s with the insults.

    I’ve been an LAN Administrator for 15 years, started using FOG four years ago, and have pushed it to other offices, and applauded FOG over Ghost.

    At what point have I insulated YOU!


  • Senior Developer

    @Thomas Rucker, post: 40129, member: 1970 said:

    I’m using FOG 1.1.2, I’ve tried all of the above, nothing works. When I got the “winload.exe failure”. I booted off a 8.1 disk/usb and ran the repair, that failed.

    So, I upload the image as RAW Disk, very slow, but it works.

    I fail to understand how you “tried” all of the above and:

    @Thomas Rucker, post: 40138, member: 1970 said:

    I’ve used several processes from different forums. The process here was the last that I tried.

    I’ve used all combinations from many forums, none worked.

    With this newer version, there should not be and issue, but Windows 8.1 is a beast.

    Yet you end yup with 6 partitions on your disks.

    And you’re IT Support? So you say, nah I won’t follow any of the actual instructions that are presented, but I’ll do my OWN thing. Then I’ll complain that My OWN thing isn’t working?

    I’m done answering your questions. Sorry it has to be like this, but after reviewing of the information it appears that you lack the ability to follow simple instruction and just feel things should work the way you want them to because you want them to work that way. You’ll blame your problems as a “limitation of FOG” which seems rather selfish in the firstplace because you obviously have no understanding of what fog actually is.



  • I answered you on the other forum, about the 6 partitions. As for trying the above, maybe later, I have new servers coming in, and more people are being hired. So, the move 1.2 will have to be delayed, thanks for your help.


  • Senior Developer

    I can’t spell everything out.

    I’ll try my best.

    The upload-debug is it’s own option. So, after you’ve ensured the image is “ready”, and are about to choose to upload it, set it for the setting you want: (e.g. Multipart non-resize, Resize)

    Create it as upload debug by going to Host Management-><list/search relevant host>-><relevant host edit>->basic tasks->advanced->Upload-Debug

    Image format is what deals with Partclone/Partimage, as you’re uploading it will always be partclone so this does not matter.

    Exit type is done by FOG Configuration->FOG Settings->FOG Boot Settings->FOG_EXIT_TYPE and select either exit, sanboot, or grub. (I’m not thinking this the way you’re describing the issue though so it’s safe, for now to leave it alone)

    GPT/MBR doesn’t mean much in the Windows world. It just doesn’t care. And my guess is lenovo, while nice enough to reset the image as a legacy model, probably didn’t properly destroy all data on the disks before putting the OS back on them. This is normal because most of us just reimage the systems anyway. However, I’m not smart enough…yet… to detect if the image is meant to be mbr, or gpt. Because of this, my guess is gpt was left on the disk. When fog created the “backup” mbr of the disk, it formatted it in GPT format. That “master” system works fine but all other deployed systems (windows 7/8/xp, or otherwise) would do the “stop at cursor” because they’re expecting data in the first 512 bytes of the hdd (the mbr data). In GPT this doesn’t exist and because “legacy” bios is looking for data there, and nothing exists, the system just stops because there’s nothing to do. To fix this, as again I suck or something, boot into upload-debug. Fixparts is a program that’s in the fog init file. SO when you get to debug, you run fixparts /dev/sda on the command line presented. I don’t know what it will tell you, I just know it “might” help.

    Then once the fixparts is done, you can run the command “fog” and hit enter a bunch of times. Then you should be good to go.

    For the Windows 8/8.1 issue. I don’t know what else to try. I know it works, but I don’t know all the case scenarios. If RAW works, then maybe, when you have more time, try sitting down to bash it out. If it’s something I’ve done, let us know and I can try to correct it.



  • [B]Tom Elliott Could you and I finish this conversation.[/B]

    [B]I was asking for details, and got general information.[/B]


  • Developer

    @Thomas Rucker, post: 40178, member: 1970 said:

    1. When you said the image type did you mean Part-Image and Part-clone?
    1. The exit type, not sure what you mean by that, a little more detail.

    2. As fog GPT or MBR, those are not an option during the install, like a said before, the are Lenovo’s. So that part I can’t help you with.

    3. Start an upload of a good system, I already have that, other wise I couldn’t push what I have right now, but the Debug task sounds interesting. Would like some more detail on that, please.

    4. Fixparts on system, not sure what you mean by this, and again more detail, thank you.

    5. no

    6. it’s how the pxe boot environment hands off boot to the next device, it’s configurable in the settings page

    7. he’s talking about the boot sector. if there’s any trace of a GPT boot configuration, even if it’s not what is currently is being used, it needs to be cleaned off.

    8. and 5. are the same thing, he’s telling you a single thing to do. boot into a debug task, run “fixparts” this is for point 3.



  • @Thomas Rucker, post: 40178, member: 1970 said:

    1. When you said the image type did you mean Part-Image and Part-clone?
    1. The exit type, not sure what you mean by that, a little more detail.
    2. As fog GPT or MBR, those are not an option during the install, like a said before, the are Lenovo’s. So that part I can’t help you with.
    3. Start an upload of a good system, I already have that, other wise I couldn’t push what I have right now, but the Debug task sounds interesting. Would like some more detail on that, please.
    4. Fixparts on system, not sure what you mean by this, and again more detail, thank you.

    I would like to say though Part-Clone is much faster then Part-image.



  • @Tom Elliott, post: 40177, member: 7271 said:

    First, the image type had no effect on the systems booting. Lots changed between 1.1.2 and 1.2.0. I think this is related to one of two things. 1. maybe it’s related to the exit type, maybe it’s not. But you could give that a shot. 2. It’s most likely related to the hdd’s having GPT, and that also my thoughts of the Windows 8/8.1 that you’re having.

    Maybe start an upload of a good system but make it a Debug task. Before running fog, run fixparts on the system. See if this helps.

    1. When you said the image type did you mean Part-Image and Part-clone?
    2. The exit type, not sure what you mean by that, a little more detail.
    3. As fog GPT or MBR, those are not an option during the install, like a said before, the are Lenovo’s. So that part I can’t help you with.
    4. Start an upload of a good system, I already have that, other wise I couldn’t push what I have right now, but the Debug task sounds interesting. Would like some more detail on that, please.
    5. Fixparts on system, not sure what you mean by this, and again more detail, thank you.

  • Developer

    nothing is up with windows 8.1, i’ve deployed hundreds of them.
    did you try booting up with them disconnected from the network? did you try different exit types for the pxe menu?


  • Senior Developer

    First, the image type had no effect on the systems booting. Lots changed between 1.1.2 and 1.2.0. I think this is related to one of two things. 1. maybe it’s related to the exit type, maybe it’s not. But you could give that a shot. 2. It’s most likely related to the hdd’s having GPT, and that also my thoughts of the Windows 8/8.1 that you’re having.

    Maybe start an upload of a good system but make it a Debug task. Before running fog, run fixparts on the system. See if this helps.


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