That would be a great help Tom. Unfortunately I’m under the gun to get my current project done (its for work) so I have to go with what I have to meet the deadline. However, I had discussed the possibility of using fog on future projects with my director. If we were to use fog beyond this project, I would want to have everything up to date. After I get this project completed, I would appreciate your assistance in setting up the newest version of fog on the newest version of kubuntu, not only for use within the company, but also for my personal satisfaction as I never did figure out the database problem I spent so much time on.