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    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      Several vlan:

      • 148.60.0.0 255.255.248.0 (148.60.0.0 > 148.60.7.255)
        (fog server vlan 148.60.4.1, dhcp 148.60.4.3 router 148…60.7.254

      • 148.60.8.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.8.0 > 148.60.8.255)
        router 148…60.8.254 no dhcp

      • 148.60.10.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.10.0 > 148.60.10.255)
        dhcp 148.60.10.252 router 148…60.10.254 (vlan with deployment problem)

      • 148.60.11.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.11.0 > 148.60.11.255)
        dhcp 148.60.11.248 router 148…60.11.254

      • 148.60.12.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.12.0 > 148.60.12.255)
        dhcp 148.60.11.252 router 148…60.12.254

      • 148.60.13.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.13.0 > 148.60.13.255)
        dhcp 148.60.13.248 router 148…60.13.254

      • 148.60.14.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.14.0 > 148.60.14.255)
        dhcp 148.60.14.252 router 148…60.14.254

      • 148.60.15.0 255.255.255.0 (148.60.15.0 > 148.60.15.255)
        dhcp 148.60.15.109 (its native vlan) router 148…60.15.254

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      here is a uefi capture:

      capturedhcp.pcap

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      In
      UEFI Reading the DHCP offer on boot, router ip et subnet mask are wrong. (ip router and subnet mask of the vlan of fog server).

      In legacy mode, (same PC, same vlan)
      router ip et subnet mask are wrong too. (ip router and subnet mask of the vlan of fog server). But the boot is going on
      capturedhcp.txt

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      Hello,

      On one vlan you can not pxe boot a uefi system, but on the same vlan you can pxe boot a bios based computer? Yes

      On a second vlan you can pxe boot both a uefi system and a bios based system no problem? Yes, the vlan the fog server is on.

      Here is the capture from the wittness host:

      No.     Time           Source                Destination           Protocol Length Info
      1 0.000000000    0.0.0.0               255.255.255.255       DHCP     389    DHCP Discover - Transaction ID 0xea2ea26c

Frame 1: 389 bytes on wire (3112 bits), 389 bytes captured (3112 bits) on interface 0
Ethernet II, Src: Dell_83:5c:4b (10:65:30:83:5c:4b), Dst: Broadcast (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff)
Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: 0.0.0.0, Dst: 255.255.255.255
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 68, Dst Port: 67
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (Discover)

No.     Time           Source                Destination           Protocol Length Info
      2 1.001404071    148.60.10.252         255.255.255.255       DHCP     343    DHCP Offer    - Transaction ID 0xea2ea26c

Frame 2: 343 bytes on wire (2744 bits), 343 bytes captured (2744 bits) on interface 0
Ethernet II, Src: Dell_82:50:7e (50:9a:4c:82:50:7e), Dst: Broadcast (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff)
Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: 148.60.10.252, Dst: 255.255.255.255
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 67, Dst Port: 68
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (Offer)

No.     Time           Source                Destination           Protocol Length Info
      3 3.271384044    0.0.0.0               255.255.255.255       DHCP     401    DHCP Request  - Transaction ID 0xea2ea26c

Frame 3: 401 bytes on wire (3208 bits), 401 bytes captured (3208 bits) on interface 0
Ethernet II, Src: Dell_83:5c:4b (10:65:30:83:5c:4b), Dst: Broadcast (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff)
Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: 0.0.0.0, Dst: 255.255.255.255
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 68, Dst Port: 67
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (Request)

No.     Time           Source                Destination           Protocol Length Info
      4 3.404871387    148.60.10.252         255.255.255.255       DHCP     343    DHCP ACK      - Transaction ID 0xea2ea26c

Frame 4: 343 bytes on wire (2744 bits), 343 bytes captured (2744 bits) on interface 0
Ethernet II, Src: Dell_82:50:7e (50:9a:4c:82:50:7e), Dst: Broadcast (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff)
Internet Protocol Version 4, Src: 148.60.10.252, Dst: 255.255.255.255
User Datagram Protocol, Src Port: 67, Dst Port: 68
Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (ACK)

      Thank you very much for your help.

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      pxe success on an other vlan, vlan with fog server

      Mar 31 11:49:13 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar 31 11:49:13 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 in subnet 148.60.0.0
Mar 31 11:49:13 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:13 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 148.60.3.85 to c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:16 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar 31 11:49:16 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 in subnet 148.60.0.0
Mar 31 11:49:16 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 148.60.3.85 (148.60.4.3) from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:16 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 148.60.3.85 to c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:39 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003010
Mar 31 11:49:39 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 in subnet 148.60.0.0
Mar 31 11:49:39 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:39 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 148.60.3.85 to c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:40 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003010
Mar 31 11:49:40 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 in subnet 148.60.0.0
Mar 31 11:49:40 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:40 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 148.60.3.85 to c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:44 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003010
Mar 31 11:49:44 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 in subnet 148.60.0.0
Mar 31 11:49:44 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 148.60.3.85 (148.60.4.3) from c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
Mar 31 11:49:44 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 148.60.3.85 to c8:1f:66:b1:e0:86 via em2.2
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      It looks like that topic no ?

      George1421 have respond to this;
      https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2141866-wds-uefi-pxeboot-when-dhcp-and-clients-are-on-same-netwrok?from_forum=2721

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      Hello
      I take advantage that the university is deserted (covid19) to be able to do my dhcp tests, so I can easely insolate the boot log from a machine.
      I have allways this problem on the vlan only with uefi pxe boot 😕

      Mar 31 11:37:08 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 148.60.10.34 from 00:11:e2:61:00:03 via em2.10
Mar 31 11:37:08 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 148.60.10.34 to 00:11:e2:61:00:03 via em2.10
Mar 31 11:37:34 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar 31 11:37:34 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b in subnet 148.60.10
Mar 31 11:37:34 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar 31 11:37:35 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 148.60.10.193 to 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar 31 11:37:37 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar 31 11:37:37 sybille2 dhcpd: Lease request from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b in subnet 148.60.10
Mar 31 11:37:37 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 148.60.10.193 (148.60.10.252) from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar 31 11:37:37 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 148.60.10.193 to 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      More strange, ip parameters are correct when the os (ubuntu) is running !

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth
      Yes I only have one dhcp server.
      I search to resolve the problem all last day, without success.
      I change a different lease time for ech subnet.
      Subnet 10 (Vlan10) clients receive Subnet 0 (vlan2) parameters. Why ?

      Would you know how to make dhcp los more verbose ?

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: can't install fog client 0.11.19 "Unable to install CA certificate"

      Thank you Sebastian for this explanation.
      I actually use the short name but by default, I would have preferred to use the long name.
      But the whole is currently configured as well, so I will stay on this configuration while waiting to update the posts with a new image at the end of the school year.

      posted in FOG Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth
      Hello
      I tried to rename class but no success.

      I listen with wireshark and I discovered a problem with dhcp:
      [https://filesender.renater.fr/?s=download&token=4e7a028b-59d6-afb9-d4bf-b08eb97b9e92](url du lien)

      mask and rouer do not correspond with ip obtained which is in the good subnet???

      subnet 148.60.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
##########################################                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      
option domain-name-servers 148.60.15.109,148.60.15.106 ;
option domain-name "istic.univ-rennes1.fr" ;
option routers 148.60.10.254 ;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0 ;
default-lease-time 600 ;
max-lease-time 1200 ;

group {
# On commente les deux lignes suivantes pour eviter le menu de Fog                                                                                                                                                                                                              
        next-server 148.60.4.1;

class "Legacy" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00000";
        filename "undionly.kkpxe";
    }
    class "UEFI-32-2" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00002";
        filename "i386-efi/ipxe.efi";
    }
    class "UEFI-32-1" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00006";
        filename "i386-efi/ipxe.efi";
    }
    class "UEFI-64-1" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00007";
        filename "ipxe.efi";
    }
    class "UEFI-64-2" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00008";
        filename "ipxe.efi";
    }
    class "UEFI-64-3" {
        match if substring(option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 20) = "PXEClient:Arch:00009";
        filename "ipxe.efi";
    }
host hobart { hardware ethernet 00:0C:29:CF:D4:2F; fixed-address hobart; option Host-name "hobart";}
host perth { hardware ethernet 00:0C:29:DA:4C:8B; fixed-address perth; option Host-name "perth";}
                                                                                                           
# marque debut pour dhcp-vm vlan 10, pas touche SVP.                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
host winrm10 {hardware ethernet 00:11:E2:61:00:03; fixed-address winrm10; option Host-name "winrm10";}     # Ajout par dhcp-vm le 22/08/2016 (11:32:32)                                                                                                                         
# marque fin pour dhcp-vm vlan 10, pas touche SVP.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

}

        pool {
                deny members of "telephones-ip";
                range 148.60.10.180 148.60.10.220;
                next-server 148.60.4.1;
                #filename "pxelinux.0";                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
        }

        ####################################################                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
        # pool d'adresse dynamique reserve aux telephones IP                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
        # testsip                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
        pool {
                allow members of "telephones-ip";
                range 148.60.10.224 148.60.10.239; #avec un masque de 255.255.255.240 pour erebus                                                                                                                                                                               
        }
}
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth said in UEFI pxe boot problem from a network:

      Looking through the config again I had the idea that maybe naming the classes all the same might be causing the issue. Though this doesn’t explain why only UEFI PXE boot is failing. Still you might want to change the names for one of the groups.

      Which parameter should I change in the class declaration ?

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      How could I have a witness ?

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @george1421
      Do you have an example for a more wordy client ? I use libvirt for virtualisation, but I think it does not support uefi pxe boot.

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @george1421
      Sorry No error on the dell lattude 5900 laptop on booting except “No bootable media found”

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @george1421
      Here is the dhcp extracted log for the not working sequence:

      Mar  9 16:43:36 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar  9 16:43:36 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar  9 16:43:36 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPOFFER on 148.60.10.140 to 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar  9 16:43:39 sybille2 dhcpd: PXEClient:Arch:00007:UNDI:003016
Mar  9 16:43:39 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 148.60.10.140 (148.60.10.252) from 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
Mar  9 16:43:39 sybille2 dhcpd: DHCPACK on 148.60.10.140 to 10:65:30:83:5c:4b via em2.10
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth

      [root@sybille2 ~]# ip a s
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: em1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.15.109/24 brd 148.60.15.255 scope global noprefixroute em1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507d/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: em2.14@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.14.252/24 brd 148.60.14.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.14
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
5: em2.2@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.4.3/21 brd 148.60.7.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.2
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
6: em2.11@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.11.249/24 brd 148.60.11.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.11
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
7: em2.3@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 129.20.15.252/24 brd 129.20.15.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.3
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
8: em2.10@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.10.252/24 brd 148.60.10.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.10
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
9: em2.13@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.13.249/24 brd 148.60.13.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.13
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
10: em2.12@em2: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 50:9a:4c:82:50:7e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.12.252/24 brd 148.60.12.255 scope global noprefixroute em2.12
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::529a:4cff:fe82:507e/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

      [root@sybille2 ~]# ip r s
default via 148.60.15.254 dev em1 proto static metric 100 
129.20.15.0/24 dev em2.3 proto kernel scope link src 129.20.15.252 metric 406 
148.60.0.0/21 dev em2.2 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.4.3 metric 400 
148.60.10.0/24 dev em2.10 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.10.252 metric 403 
148.60.11.0/24 dev em2.11 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.11.249 metric 402 
148.60.12.0/24 dev em2.12 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.12.252 metric 404 
148.60.13.0/24 dev em2.13 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.13.249 metric 405 
148.60.14.0/24 dev em2.14 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.14.252 metric 401 
148.60.15.0/24 dev em1 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.15.109 metric 100
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      My fog server is not dhcp server

      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth said in UEFI pxe boot problem from a network:

      ip a s

      root@fogus ~]# ip a s
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: ens2f0np0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b0:26:28:78:ce:d0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 148.60.4.1/21 brd 148.60.7.255 scope global noprefixroute ens2f0np0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::b226:28ff:fe78:ced0/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
3: eno1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 4c:d9:8f:8e:41:0f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: ens2f1np1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether b0:26:28:78:ce:d1 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
5: eno2: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 4c:d9:8f:8e:41:10 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
6: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 52:54:00:1e:69:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
7: virbr0-nic: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master virbr0 state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 52:54:00:1e:69:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff


      ip r s
default via 148.60.7.254 dev ens2f0np0 proto static metric 102 
148.60.0.0/21 dev ens2f0np0 proto kernel scope link src 148.60.4.1 metric 102 
192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.122.1 linkdown
      posted in Windows Problems
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      lebrun78
    • RE: UEFI pxe boot problem from a network

      @Sebastian-Roth Fog server is on the vlan where boot uefi pxe works

      posted in Windows Problems
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